Sunday, February 28, 2010

Re: [fast5] (Phil: muscles, protein)

 

What kind of meat? I ask this because I've been studying the effects of heme iron on blood sugar, and the results are pretty interesting. Even though you would not think "meat" affects blood glucose, iron does in fact affect blood sugar in ways that have been documented for some time, although I haven't seen a good explanation of why this is so.  The amount of available iron varies wildly between foods, and also depends on what *else* you consume in the same meal.


Anyway, a good experiment would be to try a meal that uses *fish* or *whey* for protein ... either one has low iron availability, but plenty of protein. If you blood glucose still rises, then the protein might be the issue. But if it only rises with beef, then it might be the heme iron.



On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Karen <laurvick@charter.net> wrote:


Thanks for this input, Phil.
 
I think part of my situation is my blood sugar.
 
I did not know I had a problem until last September.
 
In mid-August, I changed my WOE to high fat, low carb and moderate protein.
 
My protein intake now is about 60g where previously, i was consuming 100-150gP.
 
Perhaps if i try to have more fat (but this mean more calories...) with my Protein, i can have MORE protein...
 
but i had 4 oz of meat for one meal and my BS spiked.
 
I just don't know how to eat as much protein as i feel i'd need to eat along with enough fat to stabilize blood sugar within the 5-hr window...
 
(apologies.  for some reason, i can't 'snip' Phil's post...)

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RE: [fast5] (Phil: muscles, protein)

 

Thanks for this input, Phil.
 
I think part of my situation is my blood sugar.
 
I did not know I had a problem until last September.
 
In mid-August, I changed my WOE to high fat, low carb and moderate protein.
 
My protein intake now is about 60g where previously, i was consuming 100-150gP.
 
Perhaps if i try to have more fat (but this mean more calories...) with my Protein, i can have MORE protein...
 
but i had 4 oz of meat for one meal and my BS spiked.
 
I just don't know how to eat as much protein as i feel i'd need to eat along with enough fat to stabilize blood sugar within the 5-hr window...
 
(apologies.  for some reason, i can't 'snip' Phil's post...)

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Voelker
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:39 PM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [fast5] Fast5 and P90X (Heather: muscles, protein)

 
Hola,
 
Heather - you rock!  Thanks for the extra stuff on this.  :-)
 
Karen, I can tell you that I actually feel like I'm getting stronger.  I would submit though that my weight training is a little different than a lot of folks. 
 
A while back (about a year or so ago) I read this article in Men's Health about muscle building.  It was an article about these NASA scientists that studied muscle growth for 30 years for the space program, to address things like muscle atrophy in zero gravity, yada yada. . . .Anyhoo, the gist of the article was that their research indicated that the most efficient way to build muscle was not to do the typical weightlifting regimen (usually 3 or 4 days on, one day off, hitting opposite body parts in each lift), but instead to do a full body lift routine every other day.  Their research approached the muscles in the body as one unit; when you work one body part you can't ever "isolate" it -- the whole body is involved. Once you do a hard lift, you put the whole body in a repair / growth phase for about 48 hours.  If you lift the very next day it sort of puts the muscle-building back to square one.  Very interesting article. 
 
I've found that by doing a full body lift every other day (and cardio probably 6 days a week) and eating high-protein/low sugar, I do feel that I'm getting stronger and leaner.  I overfeed a little after my weight training, and actually try to underfeed a little on the off/cardio days.  I wouldn't offer it as a scientific experiment, but it's an armchair analysis in progress.  :-)


--- On Sun, 2/28/10, Karen <laurvick@charter.net> wrote:

From: Karen <laurvick@charter.net>
Subject: RE: [fast5] Fast5 and P90X (Heather: muscles, protein)
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 11:18 PM

 
Heather wrote (and wisely so....):
 
>>My take on this is that muscle mass is in fact influenced by how often you eat, plus how much protein. Just like the body builder magazines say. But that is NOT related to either health or "fitness".<<
 
So I'm trying to figure out why, even tho I continue to lift weights, I've lost muscle tone and now I'm noticing my lifts are not as 'heavy' as they used to be (indicating to me I'm losing strength)...
 
I LIKE the look of muscle.  but i don't want muscle at the expense of health.  And if i was just as strong as i used to be and didn't look muscular, i'd be OK with that (i think.....).
 
but to feel like i'm losing strength AND to not LOOK muscular is making me mad!
 
Before I was aware of my blood sugar issues, i would consume about 125g protein/day.  Now i'm taking in about 60g.
 
do I hear you SUGGEST that i can get STRONG and muscular using Fast5 AND eating high(er) protein?
 
if so, then i need to figure out how to consume more protein and keep my blood sugar stable.
 
I find that if i eat 4 oz of meat and don't have enough fat w/it, m BS goes up.  perhaps the answer is to have more fat...
 
I also find it difficult to eat as much as i'd 'need' to w/in a 5-hr eating window...  As always, looking FWD to others' input...

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RE: [fast5] Fast5 and P90X (Heather: muscles, protein)

 

 
Hola,
 
Heather - you rock!  Thanks for the extra stuff on this.  :-)
 
Karen, I can tell you that I actually feel like I'm getting stronger.  I would submit though that my weight training is a little different than a lot of folks. 
 
A while back (about a year or so ago) I read this article in Men's Health about muscle building.  It was an article about these NASA scientists that studied muscle growth for 30 years for the space program, to address things like muscle atrophy in zero gravity, yada yada. . . .Anyhoo, the gist of the article was that their research indicated that the most efficient way to build muscle was not to do the typical weightlifting regimen (usually 3 or 4 days on, one day off, hitting opposite body parts in each lift), but instead to do a full body lift routine every other day.  Their research approached the muscles in the body as one unit; when you work one body part you can't ever "isolate" it -- the whole body is involved. Once you do a hard lift, you put the whole body in a repair / growth phase for about 48 hours.  If you lift the very next day it sort of puts the muscle-building back to square one.  Very interesting article. 
 
I've found that by doing a full body lift every other day (and cardio probably 6 days a week) and eating high-protein/low sugar, I do feel that I'm getting stronger and leaner.  I overfeed a little after my weight training, and actually try to underfeed a little on the off/cardio days.  I wouldn't offer it as a scientific experiment, but it's an armchair analysis in progress.  :-)


--- On Sun, 2/28/10, Karen <laurvick@charter.net> wrote:

From: Karen <laurvick@charter.net>
Subject: RE: [fast5] Fast5 and P90X (Heather: muscles, protein)
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 11:18 PM

 
Heather wrote (and wisely so....):
 
>>My take on this is that muscle mass is in fact influenced by how often you eat, plus how much protein. Just like the body builder magazines say. But that is NOT related to either health or "fitness".<<
 
So I'm trying to figure out why, even tho I continue to lift weights, I've lost muscle tone and now I'm noticing my lifts are not as 'heavy' as they used to be (indicating to me I'm losing strength)...
 
I LIKE the look of muscle.  but i don't want muscle at the expense of health.  And if i was just as strong as i used to be and didn't look muscular, i'd be OK with that (i think.....).
 
but to feel like i'm losing strength AND to not LOOK muscular is making me mad!
 
Before I was aware of my blood sugar issues, i would consume about 125g protein/day.  Now i'm taking in about 60g.
 
do I hear you SUGGEST that i can get STRONG and muscular using Fast5 AND eating high(er) protein?
 
if so, then i need to figure out how to consume more protein and keep my blood sugar stable.
 
I find that if i eat 4 oz of meat and don't have enough fat w/it, m BS goes up.  perhaps the answer is to have more fat...
 
I also find it difficult to eat as much as i'd 'need' to w/in a 5-hr eating window...  As always, looking FWD to others' input...

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RE: [fast5] Fast5 and P90X (Heather: muscles, protein)

 

Heather wrote (and wisely so....):
 
>>My take on this is that muscle mass is in fact influenced by how often you eat, plus how much protein. Just like the body builder magazines say. But that is NOT related to either health or "fitness".<<
 
So I'm trying to figure out why, even tho I continue to lift weights, I've lost muscle tone and now I'm noticing my lifts are not as 'heavy' as they used to be (indicating to me I'm losing strength)...
 
I LIKE the look of muscle.  but i don't want muscle at the expense of health.  And if i was just as strong as i used to be and didn't look muscular, i'd be OK with that (i think.....).
 
but to feel like i'm losing strength AND to not LOOK muscular is making me mad!
 
Before I was aware of my blood sugar issues, i would consume about 125g protein/day.  Now i'm taking in about 60g.
 
do I hear you SUGGEST that i can get STRONG and muscular using Fast5 AND eating high(er) protein?
 
if so, then i need to figure out how to consume more protein and keep my blood sugar stable.
 
I find that if i eat 4 oz of meat and don't have enough fat w/it, m BS goes up.  perhaps the answer is to have more fat...
 
I also find it difficult to eat as much as i'd 'need' to w/in a 5-hr eating window...  As always, looking FWD to others' input...

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[Prince-4ever] Re: Birthday Reminder

 

AGNI!!!!!!! Sorry I'm late. Been going thru some stuff. Ya know? But I hope your birthday was a wonderfully blessed 1!!! Eternal love & respect!
Mike
--- In Prince-4ever@yahoogroups.com, Katz <katzhome2@...> wrote:
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> 
>
> >
> > Reminder from: Prince-4ever Yahoo! Group
> >
> > Title: Agni's Birthday
> >
> > Date: Wednesday February 24, 2010
> > Time: All Day
> > Repeats: This event repeats every year.
> >
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[Prince-4ever] Re: OK BUT...MPLS’ 89.3 To Premiere New Prince Song This Friday [drfunkenberry.com]

 

Hi, Katz!!!!!!! :D I agree with u on ALL parts. I should have re-phrased it. Although I did say that I love all sides of P, it may have seemed like I said I loved his Rock side the best. That's not the case. I love all of his sides equally. I just missed P rockin' it out. He took a bit of a long break 4 a while. And I am a Classic Rock dude. LOL! But I have 2 clear it up that I love all of P's sides equally. Love ya, Katz! Hope u had a wonderful weekend.
Mike
--- In Prince-4ever@yahoogroups.com, Katz <katzhome2@...> wrote:
>
> There truly isn't a side of Prince that eye don't like... nor can eye
> say that eye have a favorite...
>
> It's more like ~ what I'm thinking ~ what I'm feeling ~ Prince has
> written a song or 2 or 3 or more that fits... n eye can say yeah,
> he's lived that too...
>
> eye just love all sides of Prince
>
> Love,
> me
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Spooky Juice wrote:
>
> > AWWWW Goodie! It's goin' DOWN!!! I love ALL sides of Prince. But I
> > truly dig the Rock side of the genius. Keep rockin', P!!!
> > Mike
> > --- In Prince-4ever@yahoogroups.com, "~*\[\[PFL\]\]*~"
> > qaidsharif@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Everything will happen on Friday on Dr. FB's site, the 89.3 site
> > and LotusFlow3r.com site at 8am est.
> > >
> > >
> > > Peace, Love & Light [& Stay Funky] ...
> > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFloridaNPG/
> > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/PurpleMusicMansion/
> > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Live_4_Love_Minneapolis/
> > > NPG Member 4 Life ... [Live 4 Love]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: judy c judym319@
> > > To: Prince-4ever@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 8:04:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Prince-4ever] OK BUT...MPLS’ 89.3 To Premiere
> > New Prince Song This Friday [drfunkenberry.com]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well Im not up at 7:00am. LoL
> > > Where can I hear now..anyone know?
> > > I read via dr funkenberry that it is on the lotus site..
> > > but Im there now and cant find it.
> > > Would love to hear it.
> > >
> > > thanks .. peace love and music.. judy
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, ~*[[PFL]]*~ qaidsharif@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: ~*[[PFL]]*~ qaidsharif@yahoo. com>
> > > >Subject: [Prince-4ever] MPLS’ 89.3 To Premiere New Prince
> > Song This Friday [drfunkenberry. com]
> > > >To: "The Live 4 Love Mpls Prince Yahoo! Group" <Live_4_Love_
> > Minneapolis@ yahoogroups. com>
> > > >Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 2:11 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >MPLS’ 89.3 To Premiere New Prince Song This Friday
> > > >Are u ready 4 the funk?!?!?!
> > > >Minneapolis public radio station 89.3 the current reports that
> > they’ll premiere a
> > > >new track by Prince this Friday (7am) entitled â€Å"Cause and
> > Effect”.
> > > >Prince has been a supporter of the public station, even
> > attending their
> > > >5th birthday party at Minneapolis’ First Avenue last
> > month. The station
> > > >describes the new song:
> > > >…it’s a rocker â€" filled with virtuosic guitar
> > work, explosive
> > > >drum breaks, a poppy chorus, trademark shrieks and whoops, some
> > > >intriguing lyrics (â€Å"if
> > > > I had the chance to do it all again / I wouldn’t change a
> > thing except
> > > >my next of kin”) and a call to mankind (â€Å"you need
> > compassion”). Opening
> > > >with Prince’s classic pop smarts, the last minute of the
> > tune swerves
> > > >into a propulsive minor key guitar/strings/drum >workout like we
> > haven’t heard from him in years.
> > > >To hear the new song from Prince, tune in to 89.3 this Friday at
> > 7am
> > > >Minneapolis time. If you’re not in Minni, tune in via the
> > live stream on their website.
> > > >Prince has been in the news recently because of an Irish trial
> > over the cancellation of his Croke Park gig > in the summer of
> > 2008. Rather than take the witness stand, maybe ”Cause
> > > > and Effect” will be Prince’s official statement on
> > the matter?
> > > >I’m excited to hear this new track. R u excited?? -Dr.FB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Peace, Love & Light [& Stay Funky] ...
> > > >http://launch. groups.yahoo. com/group/ TheFloridaNPG/
> > > >http://launch. groups.yahoo. com/group/ PurpleMusicMansi on/
> > > >http://launch. groups.yahoo. com/group/ Live_4_Love_ Minneapolis/
> > > >NPG Member 4 Life ... [Live 4 Love]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [epilepsy] Re: New Research Study on Epilepsy and Religious Experiences!

 

Wow Bruce! Sorry to hear about that so called church you had gone to, I've had many siezures in my church and they never even came close to telling me not to come again!I'd like the name and address to that church to let them know a thing or two about how it is Gods church and God would not ever think of turning anyone away let a lone a physical handi cap person.
 
                         Trish (jiminycricketblue)

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From: Steve <stephenpales@yahoo.com>
To: epilepsy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 9:29:03 PM
Subject: [epilepsy] Re: New Research Study on Epilepsy and Religious Experiences!

 
Hey Bruce,

Disability came about because of a congressman with epilepsy who worked on it for years to be passed in congress. I can't think off hand of his name (my great memory). Well this congressman got into politics simply by beginning to help a local person get into office to keep himself busy while dealing with his epilepsy. He wanted to become a priest but was told by the church he couldn't do that because he had epilepsy. So, take it where you want from there. Anybody could look up what I posted by finding the name of the person then looking up his life story. He worked hard with the EFA. Take care, keep a smile on your face!

Steve

--- In epilepsy@yahoogroup s.com, "bwm78640" <bruce903@.. .> wrote:
>
>
>
> Some people sure can come up with stupid epilepsy research studies. And still refuse to bring true and up-to-date information about seizures and epilepsy to the public attention, nationwide. Did the Epilepsy Foundation provide the funding for this research study?
>
> Here's some brief information about the "Epilepsy and Religious Experiences" I went through back in late 2001. Of all the complex partial seizures I had, one of them finally took place in the middle of July 2001, inside a church I'd been a member of for just under 6 years. A few months later I received a written letter for me to stay out and away from that church. If the reasons why they did this to me applied to everyone of that church, then no one, absolutely no one; no children, no adults, no visitors, not even the pastor, would be allowed to attend that church.
>
> When I told other people about this, I found out that I'm not the only person with epilepsy who's gone though similar situations with churches. What keeps us from suing church leaders is that the American Disability Act (ADA) does not enforce equal rights in religion and private schools. So Disability Discrimination does exist in churches. Over the past few years I've been wondering about something. Of the people who have control of what goes on with religion, do they also have enough control in order to keep information about seizures and epilepsy from being brought to public attention, nationwide?
>
> Let's see if I can conduct a research study right here, right now.
>
> Do you think a New Research Study on Epilepsy and Religious Experiences would be...
>
> 1. A Helpful and Useful study? or
>
> 2. A Helpless and Useless study?
>
> Bruce
>
>
> --- In epilepsy@yahoogroup s.com, "nyuepilepsy. religion" <nyuepilepsy. religion@ > wrote:
> >
> > Hello, my name is Clover Youn, and I am a research assistant for Dr. Orrin Devinsky, the director of the NYU Comprehensive Epilepsy Center. We are conducting a study called "Ictal Religious Experiences" , in which we hope to speak to people with epilepsy who may have had religious experiences during or around the time of seizures. This study will be conducted either at the NYU Epilepsy Center or or over the phone, and should only take about 15-20 minutes of your time. If you are interested in being in this study or have any questions, please feel free to contact me at nyuepilepsy. religion@
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Clover Youn
> > Volunteer Research Assistant
> > NYU Comprehensive Epilepsy Center
> > nyuepilepsy. religion@
>

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Re: [fast5] Fast5 and P90X

 

The best research I've seen on this to date is in chickens ... specifically meat

chickens, where the amount of food given (and the timing) results in more
muscle, even without exercise. It's an experiment I've done myself: using the
same breed. One batch, all the food they want (high protein). Another batch,
only fed once a day, all they can eat (also high protein). 

The first batch gains WAY more muscle (but not fat). However, they are also far less
healthy. The muscle they gain is weak (AKA "tender"). They get sick
easily too, and seem to be prone to heart disease. The second batch
is way skinnier, but they act more like healthy chickens and live longer.

My take on this is that muscle mass is in fact influenced by how often
you eat, plus how much protein. Just like the body builder magazines say.
But that is NOT related to either health or "fitness". The healthiest animals
are insanely strong, but they have little muscle mass. Those skinny chimps
are stronger than the strongest man, but they don't have much muscle
mass. Deer can jump an 8 foot fence on those skinny little legs, too.

It might be that for free weight lifting, having more mass helps for
balance. And having more muscles looks good for competition. 
Otherwise, I think "lithe and strong" is a better goal. My opinion
only. Every time I see a body builder I see a meat chicken ... 


On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:14 AM, David Nyman <david@davidnyman.com> wrote:


Very interesting take, Phil.  I suppose the critical question would be whether the body can become (i.e. after any whatever transient adaptations are necessary) as efficient at using long-term stored calories, and previously-ingested stores of protein and other anabolic components, as it is presumed to be at exploiting immediately-available gut-contents in the "6-meal-a-day" paradigm.  My suspicion would be - e.g. on evolutionary grounds - that it can (I think Dr Herring has commented on aspects of this) and indeed there are some quite proficient bodybuilders out there who have gained substantial muscle on an IF regime, e.g:

http://www.leangains.com/

I suspect the "continuous eating" approach is partly driven by the difficulty of ingesting large amounts of calories within a limited window, and partly because, in the absence of the critical adaptations, the trainer tends to feel weak without a regular energy "fix".  Additionally, most men (and it's nearly always men) who want to gain bulk have a very unrealistic idea of just how much of any weight they add is really muscle.  Certainly, if you ingest 1000s of extra calories per day in pursuit of a "bulking" phase you will gain lots of pounds and inches, but as physique competitors who subsequently have to "cut" down to the very low body-fat levels required for elite competition discover, the vast majority of the poundage gained in this way turns out to have been fat, not muscle.  

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[epilepsy] Re: New Research Study on Epilepsy and Religious Experiences!

 

Hey Bruce,

Disability came about because of a congressman with epilepsy who worked on it for years to be passed in congress. I can't think off hand of his name (my great memory). Well this congressman got into politics simply by beginning to help a local person get into office to keep himself busy while dealing with his epilepsy. He wanted to become a priest but was told by the church he couldn't do that because he had epilepsy. So, take it where you want from there. Anybody could look up what I posted by finding the name of the person then looking up his life story. He worked hard with the EFA. Take care, keep a smile on your face!

Steve

--- In epilepsy@yahoogroups.com, "bwm78640" <bruce903@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Some people sure can come up with stupid epilepsy research studies. And still refuse to bring true and up-to-date information about seizures and epilepsy to the public attention, nationwide. Did the Epilepsy Foundation provide the funding for this research study?
>
> Here's some brief information about the "Epilepsy and Religious Experiences" I went through back in late 2001. Of all the complex partial seizures I had, one of them finally took place in the middle of July 2001, inside a church I'd been a member of for just under 6 years. A few months later I received a written letter for me to stay out and away from that church. If the reasons why they did this to me applied to everyone of that church, then no one, absolutely no one; no children, no adults, no visitors, not even the pastor, would be allowed to attend that church.
>
> When I told other people about this, I found out that I'm not the only person with epilepsy who's gone though similar situations with churches. What keeps us from suing church leaders is that the American Disability Act (ADA) does not enforce equal rights in religion and private schools. So Disability Discrimination does exist in churches. Over the past few years I've been wondering about something. Of the people who have control of what goes on with religion, do they also have enough control in order to keep information about seizures and epilepsy from being brought to public attention, nationwide?
>
> Let's see if I can conduct a research study right here, right now.
>
> Do you think a New Research Study on Epilepsy and Religious Experiences would be...
>
> 1. A Helpful and Useful study? or
>
> 2. A Helpless and Useless study?
>
> Bruce
>
>
> --- In epilepsy@yahoogroups.com, "nyuepilepsy.religion" <nyuepilepsy.religion@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, my name is Clover Youn, and I am a research assistant for Dr. Orrin Devinsky, the director of the NYU Comprehensive Epilepsy Center. We are conducting a study called "Ictal Religious Experiences", in which we hope to speak to people with epilepsy who may have had religious experiences during or around the time of seizures. This study will be conducted either at the NYU Epilepsy Center or or over the phone, and should only take about 15-20 minutes of your time. If you are interested in being in this study or have any questions, please feel free to contact me at nyuepilepsy.religion@
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Clover Youn
> > Volunteer Research Assistant
> > NYU Comprehensive Epilepsy Center
> > nyuepilepsy.religion@
>

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[epilepsy] Re: New Research Study on Epilepsy and Religious Experiences!

 



Some people sure can come up with stupid epilepsy research studies. And still refuse to bring true and up-to-date information about seizures and epilepsy to the public attention, nationwide. Did the Epilepsy Foundation provide the funding for this research study?

Here's some brief information about the "Epilepsy and Religious Experiences" I went through back in late 2001. Of all the complex partial seizures I had, one of them finally took place in the middle of July 2001, inside a church I'd been a member of for just under 6 years. A few months later I received a written letter for me to stay out and away from that church. If the reasons why they did this to me applied to everyone of that church, then no one, absolutely no one; no children, no adults, no visitors, not even the pastor, would be allowed to attend that church.

When I told other people about this, I found out that I'm not the only person with epilepsy who's gone though similar situations with churches. What keeps us from suing church leaders is that the American Disability Act (ADA) does not enforce equal rights in religion and private schools. So Disability Discrimination does exist in churches. Over the past few years I've been wondering about something. Of the people who have control of what goes on with religion, do they also have enough control in order to keep information about seizures and epilepsy from being brought to public attention, nationwide?

Let's see if I can conduct a research study right here, right now.

Do you think a New Research Study on Epilepsy and Religious Experiences would be...

1. A Helpful and Useful study? or

2. A Helpless and Useless study?

Bruce

--- In epilepsy@yahoogroups.com, "nyuepilepsy.religion" <nyuepilepsy.religion@...> wrote:
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> Hello, my name is Clover Youn, and I am a research assistant for Dr. Orrin Devinsky, the director of the NYU Comprehensive Epilepsy Center. We are conducting a study called "Ictal Religious Experiences", in which we hope to speak to people with epilepsy who may have had religious experiences during or around the time of seizures. This study will be conducted either at the NYU Epilepsy Center or or over the phone, and should only take about 15-20 minutes of your time. If you are interested in being in this study or have any questions, please feel free to contact me at nyuepilepsy.religion@...
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Re: [epilepsy] Getting closer to Surgery MAYBE~~just had a WADA test!

I went through the testing in 2004. Before I had the surgery, I slept all
the time anyway, so I did sleep when I got home after a week in the
hospital. Getting back on all the medicine was hard to get used to also. I
was so scared then, i had so many more seizures when i was getting ready for
the surgery. I hope you feel better soon and if you are elilgible for the
surgery, I wish you all the best. Take care.

Tammy

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:12 PM, kmendonc <kmendonc@yahoo.com> wrote:

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> I just spent 2 weeks up around SF to have 3 tests done for them to
> determine if surgery can be done. now I am just recovering from the WADA
> test. I am going into my 3rd day depressed and sleeping a lot. I haven't
> felt this down in sooo long. I was wondering did anyone else feel this tired
> and cry a lot after the wada test?? my other tests were 5 hours of questions
> in a room all day and 2.25 hours in a tube mri or eeg...
>
>
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[epilepsy] Re: Getting closer to Surgery MAYBE~~just had a WADA test!

 

Wada you talkin about? Did you pass that WADA test with flying colors? Or did you cheat by stealing the answers from someone else? Hey, I'm just joking. I went through the WADA myself back in 2005. No studying. Not cheating. And still passed. So I know what you're talking about.

Bruce

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> I just spent 2 weeks up around SF to have 3 tests done for them to determine if surgery can be done. now I am just recovering from the WADA test. I am going into my 3rd day depressed and sleeping a lot. I haven't felt this down in sooo long. I was wondering did anyone else feel this tired and cry a lot after the wada test?? my other tests were 5 hours of questions in a room all day and 2.25 hours in a tube mri or eeg...

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