Re: [fast5] Re: I'm back (again)

Taking the easy targets first:

1. Yes, bread. And shredded wheat. Somewhere between 1% and 30% of people

have a bad reaction to wheat (depends who you ask) but it's not very digestible

to any human being.

2. Oil. A lot of people just can't handle fats well. My husband is one of them.

Some of the frying oils have been chemically altered too, so they are even

harder to deal with. The commercial frying oils are scary.

3. Not much protein. If you take apart a fish stick, there is hardly any fish!

Protein satiates, and regulates the blood sugar some.

4. Not much vegie. Salads SOUND like a lot of vegies, but the amount

in a side salad, if cooked, would be maybe 1/2 cup.

5. Fast food. In some countries, like, say, Thailand, you can get a nice

fried shrimp on a stick that is actually good food. What is sold in

fast food places here though, is really problematic though. I buy food a lot at wholesale

places, and the pre-prepared stuff (what they use) is just scary. My

family can taste the difference and won't eat it.

Now, my husband had IBS for years and years, and we finally fixed it together.

His approach was to go back to basics for 2 weeks, then add foods one by

one. Took a little discipline, but it worked. It was something like:

1. Starch: Steamed non-enriched rice. Homai is good, and at most grocery

stores. If you don't have a rice cooker, they are pretty cheap and a good

investment. Avoid "baked goods" of any kind during this phase. Baking

anything with ground starch in an oven creates a product that feeds

yeast easily and may contain stuff like acrylamides, but "steamed white

rice" has been the "good for sick people" basic for ages. It works. Keep

in mind that maybe half the world ONLY eats white rice as their basic

food, and they survive just fine if they also get some greens and a bit

of protein.

2. Protein. Rotate between, say, fish, shrimp, beef, lamb, chicken, pork, eggs.

Just keep in mind how they affect you. Use really simple cooking methods ...

baking, broiling, convection ovens. Protein STOPS HUNGER, in

general. Low protein meals will make you hungrier the next day.

Egg white and fish have been the "body builder" proteins since forever.

They tamp down appetite and build muscle, keep the metabolism up.

Whey protein works really well too, if you can handle dairy. Dairy is

iffy for a lot of people. It gives me migraines, so I don't use it.

You can vary the ratios between rice and protein. Some people do way

better on one or the other.

(*** Note: I think egg YOLK is great stuff too, for other reasons. So

unlike body builders, I don't toss the yolk!)

3. Vegies. LOTS! I mean a big pile of baked carrots, or a big stir-fry. Or

a stew. You can vary which vegies. Try organic vs. not too ... some

people react to pesticides.

4. Oils. Oils can be problematic, for a lot of reasons. Coconut oil is

pretty safe ... it doesn't take a lot of bile acid to break down. Olive oil

is pretty good too, in small amounts. Some people can eat a LOT of fat

and be just fine, but at this point, you don't know which camp you

are in. Fast food oils can be really bad ... they are extracted using

chemicals, have chemicals added, are re-used for months, and usually

are fairly rancid. Saturated fats ... like rib eye fat ... can taste really good,

but requires a robust digestive system to handle it.

If you REALLY don't digest oils well, try using MCT for a month or two.

MCT is used for babies, and it's in mother's milk, and it doesn't require

bile. 1T per meal is enough, to say, fry a couple of eggs. I use 1 T for 2

eggs, and another for a batch of hashbrowns, in one favorite meal. MCT

is expensive though, and start out with just a little of it. MCT is 20% or

something of coconut oil though.

5. Acids. For some strange chemical reasons, both acetic acid (vinegar)

and citric acid (lemon juice) work magic. A little vinegar in water, or

lemon juice, can quell appetite. I think because they compete with uric

acid. Anyway, uric acid affects cortisol affects appetite and a feeling of

"well being", glossing over the details. Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid) fits in

there too. The chemists in the audience can give more details.

Now, that's fairly restrictive. But if, after a week, you feel better, then you

learned something, and you have a baseline. Start adding foods back ... fruits

for one. Nuts. My husband, turns out, just has an issue with peanuts and walnuts ...

but the others are ok. He doesn't do Fast-5, but mainly he's only ever eaten one

main meal a day, so ... it does work for him, he's a good weight and looks

about 15 years younger than he is.

After about 12 years, our meals are pretty varied, though I have to say they

look either Asian or Mexican. It turns out wheat and dairy are pretty big problems

for me and him, but dairy is fine for my kids. A bigger problem is that everyone

turned into "Food Snobs" and now no one will eat, say, commercial eggs or

hamburger. I did have to learn how to cook, and when we eat out, it is

expensive and my kids mostly say "but Mom, your food is better!".

(Sweet to a Mom's ears!). They are healthy happy kids though, have avoided

acne and neuroses and ADD, so I think it works.

Sorry if this is TMI. My geek flag flies high! I love experimenting, so this

is mostly fun for me.

My WAG is that your dizziness is mainly due to high cortisol, which

happens a lot when people get "hungry". Cortisol makes you feel lousy.

That is it's job: to get you to feel bad enough to go out and get some

food. Does weird things to blood pressure too. Vinegar/water often cuts

that off quickly ... again, I'm not sure of all the chemistry, but it's been

used since Roman times. (When you are on a long march and can't

stop to eat, swig some vinegar water! Adding honey makes it taste better,

but not required).

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:21 PM, tfoley926 <travis.foley@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Heather! What great information!!!!

Here's my day:

Tonight I broke the fast at 5pm with an apple and some peanut butter, a cheese stick, and a few slices of roast beef deli sliced. Seemed to be okay.

I then met my family for dinner at 5:30.

I ate the following for dinner at 6 p.m.:

Crispy fish sandwich
French fries
Side Caesar salad
3 Bread rolls
Diet Coke

Within an hour of eating dinner I really felt bad. I was very spaced out and very irritable. I figured it was most likely due to the bread and the french fries?

The feeling lasted a good hour or hour and a half.

It's almost 10 PM now and my window is almost closed.

I have definitely eat much less than I normally would have. Im not starving right now but I have cravings. I finished off the night with a bowl of Shredded Wheat cereal.

We'll see how tomorrow goes, I am hopeful!

Thoughts, comments,suggestions, advice, etc?

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome back!
>
> You might want to look at what foods you ARE eating.
> After much experimenting on ME, I have discovered that
> how I feel has a lot to do with the food choices I make.
>
> Fast-5 makes it easy to experiment, because you have less
> food to balance.
>
> Here are the results I've found, about food choices.
>
> First, a lot of what happens with appetite has to do with uric
> acid. Uric acid is a kind of trigger for hibernation in animals,
> and it makes the animal eat more and to change food into fat,
> rather than raising the metabolism.
>
> Some foods and behaviors raise uric acid levels, while others
> lower it. This has been studies a lot, in terms of gout! So it's
> pretty easy to find information. The things that raise uric
> acid levels are:
>
> -- Not eating on a schedule
> -- Not getting enough water
> -- Certain meats (high-purine meats)
> -- Fructose (any sugar, not just HFCS, but also honey etc)
> -- Beer
> -- Food intolerances (wheat and dairy being the usual suspects)
> -- Saturated fat (might block clearing uric acid)
> -- Foods high in iron (enriched foods)
>
> Things that lower uric acid levels:
> -- Vinegar or lemon juice
> -- Eggs
> -- Low-purine fish
> -- Vitamin C
>
>
> Anyway, for me that translates basically into eating more fish and eggs,
> less beef, adding lemon slices to my tea, and avoiding beer. It's
> working so far (30+ lbs down).
>
> Fructose is an interesting issue, since some 30% of Northern Europeans
> don't handle it well. You mention being worse on the Warrior Diet ... if
> you were snacking on fruit, that might be part of it. Plain starches, like
> steamed rice, are usually safer choices in that case. But you can
> experiment ... keep a log, and eating drastically different meal choices,
> see how you feel the next day.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM, tfoley926 <travis.foley@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I will keep this fairly short, but I'm new to the group (sorta). I first
> > joined back about 4 or 5 years ago. This is not my first time with F5,
> > I've been on and off of it during this time. I have keep very good notes
> > on my progress through all of that and I sat down last night and reviewed
> > it all to figure out why this just never worked for me long term?
> >
> > I keep coming back to it because:
> >
> > 1. I know it works because I lose weight EVERY time
> > 2. It really helps me discipline myself when it comes to eating and
> > keeps me from allowing food to control my life
> > 3. I experience other health benefits from this as well such as lower
> > cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and lower triglycerides.
> > 4. It's very convenient when I don't have to mess with making
> > breakfast and packing a full lunch for work.
> > 5. I save money on groceries and snacks during the day
> > 6. I FEEL better and I'm more confident when I feel light and my
> > clothes fit me better
> > 7. I never battle fatigue in the afternoons or on the drive home, I'm
> > always alert
> >
> > I know I could think of more, but 7 is enough. :)
> >
> > So you may be asking yourself, why have I not stuck with this then? Why
> > all of the starting and stopping?
> >
> > What I experience consistently as I read back through all everything I
> > have written can be summed up in one of my entries from back in 2009.
> >
> > Here's what I wrote:
> >
> > *"I'm stopping Fast5 because I'm tired of feeling tired, weak, spacey and
> > irritable. Even after I eat I find myself being more irritable than I
> > normally am. The weightloss was great, but it's not worth the
> > side-effects. Also, it's affecting my performance at work. My short term
> > memory really seems to suffer even though it is supposed to be sharper some
> > how? It's not and I cannot seem to subside the spacey feeling using
> > everyone's advice either. I thought I could do this, but cannot sustain
> > this for the long haul."*
> >
> > I would go on over the next 3 or 4 years starting back up and ultimately
> > having to quit for pretty much the same reasons.
> >
> > At one point I started doing the Warrior Diet and that was horrible and
> > made everything worse. I started doing Weight Watchers and that worked for
> > a while, but I felt that was harder to maintain because of all of the
> > tracking and counting and everything.
> >
> > F5 fits my lifestyle better than anything else I've tried, I just have to
> > get through this issue of the dizziness.
> >
> > I have been doing a lot of reading again and I'm back (again) to give this
> > a shot and go at it from one angle that I haven't tried yet. I am on week
> > 3 this time around and I am doing very well actually. What I am changing
> > this time around is my window. In the past I have consistently kept a
> > window of 2:00 - 7:00. Looking back over everything I saw a pattern of
> > extending my window because of one thing or another. I'm doing a window of
> > 5:00 - 10:00 PM like the book suggests this time and today is actually
> > going to be the first day that I hit it. So far this time around, my
> > window has been in the 2:30/3:00 PM time frame when I opened it. Today
> > will be 5:00 PM.
> >
> > This new window will:
> >
> > - completely eliminate the need to bring any food to work
> > - eliminate the issue of eating too early and messing up my window if
> > the family ends up eating later after dinner... I don't have to miss out
> > - help me keep from over eating... in other words, I won't be
> > eating lunch AND dinner. I end up eating lunch and dinner both, and then
> > some... this will just be one meal (dinner) and a snack or something later.
> >
> > I'm keeping a close eye on any advice that I see posted. What helps me is
> > to read about what others are experiencing. When I know others have
> > experienced the same things, but stuck it out and the symptoms subside,
> > that gives me hope to keep at it.
> >
> > One of my downfalls before has been fudging a little when the weight came
> > off. Once I started doing that, it became more routine and before I knew
> > it I had drifted very far from the routine and it was hard to get going
> > again.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, that was a very long post, I apologize.
> >
> > I look forward to reading about everyone's progress and challenges and I'm
> > very encouraged that long term success for me is just ahead!
> >
> >
> >
> > travis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Heather Twist -- Seattle 7B
> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>

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