Re: [fast5] Re: I'm back (again)

Thanks for the feedback! Acetic acid hasn't been studied

much, as to it's effects in the body, but it IS known to

do rather interesting stuff, like lower blood pressure and

cause weight loss. Just no one really knows the mechanism.

It seems to me it affects cortisol and uric acid levels in the

blood. Citric acid too, and probably vitamin C.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:12 PM, tfoley926 <travis.foley@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey all... just wanted to send an update out on the ACV and lemon water.

Today has been great! I drank 2 bottles of water with ACV and a bottle of water with lemon juice.

It's 3:11 PM and I feel really good. I really think the ACV and lemon water is helping with the dizziness, irritability, and hunger pains I was experiencing. I can tell a difference for sure.

I will be breaking my fast at 3:30 PM with veggies on the drive home. I'll be having raw carrots and celery with Natural Peanut Butter.

Travis

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Brenda Gray <brendagray@...> wrote:
>
> It's good to use organic apple cider vinegar rather than malt vinegar or
> white vinegar. Many health benefits -- google and be amazed :-)
>
> I am drinking some at the moment. I use a sm tsp honey and a good dash
> of ACV straight from the bottle, I guess about a tablespoon. When I have
> lemon I usually have it separately with water.
>
> I am aiming for a 4-9pm eating window, starting today. (It's 1 pm at
> present.)
>
> :-)
> Brenda
>
>
> On 2/07/2013 2:42 a.m., tfoley926 wrote:
> >
> > I looked it up online and found the portion ratio.
> >
> > So far today I have been drinking water with honey, lemon, and
> > vinegar. Iut the ingredients in first, then filled my bottle about 1/3
> > full of hot water, shook it up, then filled the rest with cold water
> > (so I could actually drink it).
> >
> > This is taking some getting used to, but SO FAR, I have NOT had any of
> > the wierd hunger and dizziness that I normally experience.
> >
> > I could be jumping the gun, sometimes I would have noticed it by now,
> > sometimes not. I'll post again later on this afternoon or tonight...
> > I'll know without a doubt by then.
> >
> > Travis
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com <mailto:fast5%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "tfoley926" <travis.foley@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can you tell me what the portion of water to vinegar would be?
> > >
> > > I could guess, but at this point I wanna make sure I'm doing this
> > right.
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> > > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com <mailto:fast5%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "tfoley926" <travis.foley@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you so much, I want to do my best to try to incorporate
> > this. I'm on my way to the store to get some vinegar, lemons, and
> > honey right now! If cortisol is what's making me feel horrible and
> > these things will help stop that, I'm all for it!
> > > >
> > > > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com <mailto:fast5%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Taking the easy targets first:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Yes, bread. And shredded wheat. Somewhere between 1% and 30%
> > of people
> > > > > have a bad reaction to wheat (depends who you ask) but it's not very
> > > > > digestible
> > > > > to any human being.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Oil. A lot of people just can't handle fats well. My husband
> > is one of
> > > > > them.
> > > > > Some of the frying oils have been chemically altered too, so
> > they are even
> > > > > harder to deal with. The commercial frying oils are scary.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Not much protein. If you take apart a fish stick, there is
> > hardly any
> > > > > fish!
> > > > > Protein satiates, and regulates the blood sugar some.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. Not much vegie. Salads SOUND like a lot of vegies, but the amount
> > > > > in a side salad, if cooked, would be maybe 1/2 cup.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. Fast food. In some countries, like, say, Thailand, you can
> > get a nice
> > > > > fried shrimp on a stick that is actually good food. What is sold in
> > > > > fast food places here though, is really problematic though. I
> > buy food a
> > > > > lot at wholesale
> > > > > places, and the pre-prepared stuff (what they use) is just scary. My
> > > > > family can taste the difference and won't eat it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, my husband had IBS for years and years, and we finally fixed it
> > > > > together.
> > > > > His approach was to go back to basics for 2 weeks, then add
> > foods one by
> > > > > one. Took a little discipline, but it worked. It was something like:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Starch: Steamed non-enriched rice. Homai is good, and at most
> > grocery
> > > > > stores. If you don't have a rice cooker, they are pretty cheap
> > and a good
> > > > > investment. Avoid "baked goods" of any kind during this phase.
> > Baking
> > > > > anything with ground starch in an oven creates a product that feeds
> > > > > yeast easily and may contain stuff like acrylamides, but
> > "steamed white
> > > > > rice" has been the "good for sick people" basic for ages. It
> > works. Keep
> > > > > in mind that maybe half the world ONLY eats white rice as their
> > basic
> > > > > food, and they survive just fine if they also get some greens
> > and a bit
> > > > > of protein.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Protein. Rotate between, say, fish, shrimp, beef, lamb,
> > chicken, pork,
> > > > > eggs.
> > > > > Just keep in mind how they affect you. Use really simple cooking
> > methods ...
> > > > > baking, broiling, convection ovens. Protein STOPS HUNGER, in
> > > > > general. Low protein meals will make you hungrier the next day.
> > > > >
> > > > > Egg white and fish have been the "body builder" proteins since
> > forever.
> > > > > They tamp down appetite and build muscle, keep the metabolism up.
> > > > > Whey protein works really well too, if you can handle dairy.
> > Dairy is
> > > > > iffy for a lot of people. It gives me migraines, so I don't use it.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can vary the ratios between rice and protein. Some people do way
> > > > > better on one or the other.
> > > > >
> > > > > (*** Note: I think egg YOLK is great stuff too, for other
> > reasons. So
> > > > > unlike body builders, I don't toss the yolk!)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Vegies. LOTS! I mean a big pile of baked carrots, or a big
> > stir-fry. Or
> > > > > a stew. You can vary which vegies. Try organic vs. not too ... some
> > > > > people react to pesticides.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. Oils. Oils can be problematic, for a lot of reasons. Coconut
> > oil is
> > > > > pretty safe ... it doesn't take a lot of bile acid to break
> > down. Olive oil
> > > > > is pretty good too, in small amounts. Some people can eat a LOT
> > of fat
> > > > > and be just fine, but at this point, you don't know which camp you
> > > > > are in. Fast food oils can be really bad ... they are extracted
> > using
> > > > > chemicals, have chemicals added, are re-used for months, and usually
> > > > > are fairly rancid. Saturated fats ... like rib eye fat ... can
> > taste really
> > > > > good,
> > > > > but requires a robust digestive system to handle it.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you REALLY don't digest oils well, try using MCT for a month
> > or two.
> > > > > MCT is used for babies, and it's in mother's milk, and it
> > doesn't require
> > > > > bile. 1T per meal is enough, to say, fry a couple of eggs. I use
> > 1 T for 2
> > > > > eggs, and another for a batch of hashbrowns, in one favorite
> > meal. MCT
> > > > > is expensive though, and start out with just a little of it. MCT
> > is 20% or
> > > > > something of coconut oil though.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. Acids. For some strange chemical reasons, both acetic acid
> > (vinegar)
> > > > > and citric acid (lemon juice) work magic. A little vinegar in
> > water, or
> > > > > lemon juice, can quell appetite. I think because they compete
> > with uric
> > > > > acid. Anyway, uric acid affects cortisol affects appetite and a
> > feeling of
> > > > > "well being", glossing over the details. Vitamin C (Ascorbic
> > acid) fits in
> > > > > there too. The chemists in the audience can give more details.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, that's fairly restrictive. But if, after a week, you feel
> > better, then
> > > > > you
> > > > > learned something, and you have a baseline. Start adding foods
> > back ...
> > > > > fruits
> > > > > for one. Nuts. My husband, turns out, just has an issue with
> > peanuts and
> > > > > walnuts ...
> > > > > but the others are ok. He doesn't do Fast-5, but mainly he's
> > only ever
> > > > > eaten one
> > > > > main meal a day, so ... it does work for him, he's a good weight
> > and looks
> > > > > about 15 years younger than he is.
> > > > >
> > > > > After about 12 years, our meals are pretty varied, though I have
> > to say they
> > > > > look either Asian or Mexican. It turns out wheat and dairy are
> > pretty big
> > > > > problems
> > > > > for me and him, but dairy is fine for my kids. A bigger problem
> > is that
> > > > > everyone
> > > > > turned into "Food Snobs" and now no one will eat, say,
> > commercial eggs or
> > > > > hamburger. I did have to learn how to cook, and when we eat out,
> > it is
> > > > > expensive and my kids mostly say "but Mom, your food is better!".
> > > > > (Sweet to a Mom's ears!). They are healthy happy kids though,
> > have avoided
> > > > > acne and neuroses and ADD, so I think it works.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry if this is TMI. My geek flag flies high! I love
> > experimenting, so this
> > > > > is mostly fun for me.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My WAG is that your dizziness is mainly due to high cortisol, which
> > > > > happens a lot when people get "hungry". Cortisol makes you feel
> > lousy.
> > > > > That is it's job: to get you to feel bad enough to go out and
> > get some
> > > > > food. Does weird things to blood pressure too. Vinegar/water
> > often cuts
> > > > > that off quickly ... again, I'm not sure of all the chemistry,
> > but it's been
> > > > > used since Roman times. (When you are on a long march and can't
> > > > > stop to eat, swig some vinegar water! Adding honey makes it
> > taste better,
> > > > > but not required).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:21 PM, tfoley926 <travis.foley@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you Heather! What great information!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here's my day:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tonight I broke the fast at 5pm with an apple and some peanut
> > butter, a
> > > > > > cheese stick, and a few slices of roast beef deli sliced.
> > Seemed to be
> > > > > > okay.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I then met my family for dinner at 5:30.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I ate the following for dinner at 6 p.m.:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Crispy fish sandwich
> > > > > > French fries
> > > > > > Side Caesar salad
> > > > > > 3 Bread rolls
> > > > > > Diet Coke
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Within an hour of eating dinner I really felt bad. I was very
> > spaced out
> > > > > > and very irritable. I figured it was most likely due to the
> > bread and the
> > > > > > french fries?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The feeling lasted a good hour or hour and a half.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's almost 10 PM now and my window is almost closed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have definitely eat much less than I normally would have. Im not
> > > > > > starving right now but I have cravings. I finished off the
> > night with a
> > > > > > bowl of Shredded Wheat cereal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We'll see how tomorrow goes, I am hopeful!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thoughts, comments,suggestions, advice, etc?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com <mailto:fast5%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Welcome back!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You might want to look at what foods you ARE eating.
> > > > > > > After much experimenting on ME, I have discovered that
> > > > > > > how I feel has a lot to do with the food choices I make.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fast-5 makes it easy to experiment, because you have less
> > > > > > > food to balance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here are the results I've found, about food choices.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > First, a lot of what happens with appetite has to do with uric
> > > > > > > acid. Uric acid is a kind of trigger for hibernation in animals,
> > > > > > > and it makes the animal eat more and to change food into fat,
> > > > > > > rather than raising the metabolism.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some foods and behaviors raise uric acid levels, while others
> > > > > > > lower it. This has been studies a lot, in terms of gout! So it's
> > > > > > > pretty easy to find information. The things that raise uric
> > > > > > > acid levels are:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Not eating on a schedule
> > > > > > > -- Not getting enough water
> > > > > > > -- Certain meats (high-purine meats)
> > > > > > > -- Fructose (any sugar, not just HFCS, but also honey etc)
> > > > > > > -- Beer
> > > > > > > -- Food intolerances (wheat and dairy being the usual suspects)
> > > > > > > -- Saturated fat (might block clearing uric acid)
> > > > > > > -- Foods high in iron (enriched foods)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Things that lower uric acid levels:
> > > > > > > -- Vinegar or lemon juice
> > > > > > > -- Eggs
> > > > > > > -- Low-purine fish
> > > > > > > -- Vitamin C
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyway, for me that translates basically into eating more
> > fish and eggs,
> > > > > > > less beef, adding lemon slices to my tea, and avoiding beer.
> > It's
> > > > > > > working so far (30+ lbs down).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fructose is an interesting issue, since some 30% of Northern
> > Europeans
> > > > > > > don't handle it well. You mention being worse on the Warrior
> > Diet ... if
> > > > > > > you were snacking on fruit, that might be part of it. Plain
> > starches,
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > steamed rice, are usually safer choices in that case. But
> > you can
> > > > > > > experiment ... keep a log, and eating drastically different
> > meal choices,
> > > > > > > see how you feel the next day.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM, tfoley926 <travis.foley@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I will keep this fairly short, but I'm new to the group
> > (sorta). I
> > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > joined back about 4 or 5 years ago. This is not my first
> > time with F5,
> > > > > > > > I've been on and off of it during this time. I have keep
> > very good
> > > > > > notes
> > > > > > > > on my progress through all of that and I sat down last
> > night and
> > > > > > reviewed
> > > > > > > > it all to figure out why this just never worked for me
> > long term?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I keep coming back to it because:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. I know it works because I lose weight EVERY time
> > > > > > > > 2. It really helps me discipline myself when it comes to
> > eating and
> > > > > > > > keeps me from allowing food to control my life
> > > > > > > > 3. I experience other health benefits from this as well
> > such as
> > > > > > lower
> > > > > > > > cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and lower triglycerides.
> > > > > > > > 4. It's very convenient when I don't have to mess with making
> > > > > > > > breakfast and packing a full lunch for work.
> > > > > > > > 5. I save money on groceries and snacks during the day
> > > > > > > > 6. I FEEL better and I'm more confident when I feel light
> > and my
> > > > > > > > clothes fit me better
> > > > > > > > 7. I never battle fatigue in the afternoons or on the
> > drive home,
> > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > always alert
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I know I could think of more, but 7 is enough. :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So you may be asking yourself, why have I not stuck with
> > this then?
> > > > > > Why
> > > > > > > > all of the starting and stopping?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What I experience consistently as I read back through all
> > everything I
> > > > > > > > have written can be summed up in one of my entries from
> > back in 2009.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here's what I wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *"I'm stopping Fast5 because I'm tired of feeling tired,
> > weak, spacey
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > irritable. Even after I eat I find myself being more
> > irritable than I
> > > > > > > > normally am. The weightloss was great, but it's not worth the
> > > > > > > > side-effects. Also, it's affecting my performance at work.
> > My short
> > > > > > term
> > > > > > > > memory really seems to suffer even though it is supposed
> > to be sharper
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > how? It's not and I cannot seem to subside the spacey
> > feeling using
> > > > > > > > everyone's advice either. I thought I could do this, but
> > cannot
> > > > > > sustain
> > > > > > > > this for the long haul."*
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would go on over the next 3 or 4 years starting back up and
> > > > > > ultimately
> > > > > > > > having to quit for pretty much the same reasons.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At one point I started doing the Warrior Diet and that was
> > horrible and
> > > > > > > > made everything worse. I started doing Weight Watchers and
> > that
> > > > > > worked for
> > > > > > > > a while, but I felt that was harder to maintain because of
> > all of the
> > > > > > > > tracking and counting and everything.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > F5 fits my lifestyle better than anything else I've tried,
> > I just have
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > get through this issue of the dizziness.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have been doing a lot of reading again and I'm back
> > (again) to give
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > a shot and go at it from one angle that I haven't tried
> > yet. I am on
> > > > > > week
> > > > > > > > 3 this time around and I am doing very well actually. What
> > I am
> > > > > > changing
> > > > > > > > this time around is my window. In the past I have
> > consistently kept a
> > > > > > > > window of 2:00 - 7:00. Looking back over everything I saw
> > a pattern of
> > > > > > > > extending my window because of one thing or another. I'm
> > doing a
> > > > > > window of
> > > > > > > > 5:00 - 10:00 PM like the book suggests this time and today
> > is actually
> > > > > > > > going to be the first day that I hit it. So far this time
> > around, my
> > > > > > > > window has been in the 2:30/3:00 PM time frame when I
> > opened it. Today
> > > > > > > > will be 5:00 PM.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This new window will:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - completely eliminate the need to bring any food to work
> > > > > > > > - eliminate the issue of eating too early and messing up
> > my window
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > the family ends up eating later after dinner... I don't
> > have to
> > > > > > miss out
> > > > > > > > - help me keep from over eating... in other words, I won't be
> > > > > > > > eating lunch AND dinner. I end up eating lunch and dinner
> > both, and
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > some... this will just be one meal (dinner) and a snack or
> > > > > > something later.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm keeping a close eye on any advice that I see posted.
> > What helps
> > > > > > me is
> > > > > > > > to read about what others are experiencing. When I know
> > others have
> > > > > > > > experienced the same things, but stuck it out and the
> > symptoms subside,
> > > > > > > > that gives me hope to keep at it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One of my downfalls before has been fudging a little when
> > the weight
> > > > > > came
> > > > > > > > off. Once I started doing that, it became more routine and
> > before I
> > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > it I had drifted very far from the routine and it was hard
> > to get going
> > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anyway, that was a very long post, I apologize.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I look forward to reading about everyone's progress and
> > challenges and
> > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > very encouraged that long term success for me is just ahead!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > travis
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Heather Twist -- Seattle 7B
> > > > > > > http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Heather Twist -- Seattle 7B
> > > > > http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this message.
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> > Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3204/6452 - Release Date: 06/30/13
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