--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> I would say one thing about veggies:
>
> I have known two guys in my life who were more or less like Barnaby, and
> really eschewed vegies.
I DO eat vegetables, but don't feel it is necessary every day and especially every meal as Karen is doing. Since Karen doesn't have stamina to fast over 16 hours so I suggested she skip the veggeies and eat meat for satiation until she can fast for 20 hours. Then she can slowly introduce more veggies after she has built up Fasting Stamina.
Barnaby
Meat was where they were at! Lots of it! Vegies are
> not required!
>
> Both of them got colon cancer at a young age (One at 39, the other at 49).
> One died: one survives, with part of his colon removed.
>
> Here is the thing: cooked foods create carcinogens. The things that protects
> the lower gut though, are polysaccharides. Two specific ones have been
> found. Some polys are digested by bacteria and produce butyrate, which kills
> cancer cells. Pectin degrades into something else, which similarly kills
> cancer cells.
>
> It might be possible if, like the Inuit, you eat mainly seafood, you can do
> without many plants. Or, you can live off mainly milk products which have
> their own protective factors. But there isn't really any group of humans who
> lived mainly off "meat" with no bad health effects or to any level of old
> age, at least that has been documented. There is zero evidence that humans
> are adapted to be vegetarians ... similarly, there is zero evidence we are
> adapted to be carnivores. Your true carnivore, like the average bobcat, can
> eat nothing but meat and do just fine, thank you. Humans though, tend to get
> gut cancer.
>
> Just sayin' ...
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, kllaurvick <laurvick@...> wrote:
>
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Barnaby Walker" <barnabywalker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Makes me wonder why in your search for more filling meals to extend
> > longer fasting periods, you are not following "Queen Bee's" advice and
> > avoiding veggies in your meal?
> >
> > +++ Miss Bee does not say to avoid veggies (she says no starches). But she
> > does advocate, if one would prefer, an all protein/fat diet. 80F/20P. I was
> > following it for a couple of months but another friend (whom I love because
> > he weight trains AND follows Bee's program, so I like to listen to people
> > being successful doing the same thing I'm doing) suggested it would not be a
> > bad thing to have a few veggies. So that is what I have been doing; having
> > some veggies. I certainly don't miss them or having to prepare them,
> > however. It is so fabulous to know we don't 'need' them either!
> >
> > >
> > > A Meat diet is certainly worth an experimental try. 16 hours of fasting
> > isn't getting full benefit.
> >
> > +++ I know you've shared this before and I'll have to try to remember which
> > website said that women fasting even 14 hours were getting 'benefits' (as
> > in, no need to fast longer than that..).
> >
> > +++ I just don't know if i'm willing to fast longer than that. It would
> > just mean screwing up family eating times. I break my fast when my girls
> > eat their lunch (our school break). Then I eat my second meal when the
> > family dinner is ready (which is usually around 6-630). To eat at noon then
> > force everything and causing much trouble to eat again by 5pm just aint
> > gonna happen. And delaying breaking my fast until 1 will just screw up my
> > girls school schedule.
> >
> > +++ But I'll keep this in mind, Barnaby. I'm just jiggy with eating two
> > meals and not having to fix a third one...
> >
> > Karen
> >
> >
> >
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>
> --
> Heather Twist
> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
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