Here's one more for your Wally.
I have been hungry all my life. Ate all day long. Full healthy meals and continuous snacking in between. Many many years ago I went to OA for a while. So I understand that feeling of insatiable hunger. There well may be an emotional component, but from my vantage point (I am in my 60's), unless you sort out your metabolic problems you won't become clear about the emotional aspects, and sorting out the food will in and of itself resolve many of the emotional components. Here are some things that have helped me:
Paying careful attention to carb in take of any kind and relation to hunger. Less carb = less hunger.
Increase saturated fats and pay attention. For me more fat - less hunger.
Not eating grains. I found that they gave me arthritis so I stopped eating them. I then discovered that not eating them also helped with the hunger and cravings.
Not eating dairy except ghee. Makes me agitated and moody and hungry.
Learning about blood sugar (Read all of http://www.phlaunt.
I would definitely advise you to drop the fruit juice ( and probably all fruit) That is pure sugar and if you have a metabolic problem, which you obviously do, there is no way you can handle it. Even "normal" people would do well not to have juice or at the very least have it only with a full meal containing protein and lots of good satiating saturated fat.
Experiment with your window. I did FF successfully for years with a 5 -6 hour window. Lost the weight I needed to lose, and maintained that loss even when going back to 3 meals a day. Then when I learned I had blood sugar dysregulation and trying to bring my blood sugar to a tight range below 100 all day long, I somehow gained about 12 pounds. I was successful in getting my blood sugar down. What I did was just eat as much fat at each meal as I could possibly consume plus take and insulin sensitizer. (This was on 3 meals a day
So now my blood sugar has been good for months, I still eat high fat , but not as much, still take the insuling sensitzer. But wanting to lose those 12 pounds I went back on my once successful two meals in a five hour window to lose the weight. Nothing happened. Then I finally tried a shorter window and not only is the weight coming off, but I find I have even better appetite control than I did with my old FF routine.
It might just be that dropping the juice would be enough, that way your window would only be however long it takes to eat that one meal. That should make a major change.
Experiment and keep notes.
Whatever the exact cause, I do believe that for those of use afflicted with insatiable cravings for dessert (read carbs), the old AA adage truly applies: " one drink(taste) is too many, a thousand is not enough".
Wishing you liberation,
Ellen
Thank you all, for your feedback! I sincerely appreciate it.
Wallie :)
--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com , David Nyman <david@...> wrote:
>
> Boy, this one drew a big response! Nature designed sweetness to be a
> powerful, even primal, attractor for us humans - as ever, this wasn't a
> problem when we had to work hard to get every calorie, but now that we can
> scarf down super-size portions of whatever we desire whenever the fancy
> takes us, the "bug" in the design reveals itself with a vengeance.
>
> I had a sweet tooth from boyhood (we Scots are the official world champions
> of confectionery consumption) but I began to experiment with "dialling it
> down", decades ago (to save my teeth) by reducing, then eliminating, sugar
> in the copious quantities of tea that Brits swill down every day. I was
> curious to know what the unsugared version would taste like. Actually, at
> first, without the strong sugary flavour I'd grown used to, it seemed to
> taste of precisely nothing. After some time however - several weeks, I think
> - I started to notice another taste gradually emerging - the tea! I had
> never tasted it before, as it had been totally swamped by the sweetness.
> Encouraged by this unexpected gain, I started reducing sugar in other foods
> - cereals, fruit desserts (no sprinkling!), baked goods - and each time I
> had the same experience of hidden flavours emerging. So overall it wasn't
> so much the loss of sweetness I noticed, but the gain in other more subtle,
> and oddly more satisfying, taste experiences. I've also found that turning
> down my personal sweetness "dial" over time in this way also makes naturally
> sweet things, like fruits, seem much sweeter than before.
>
> I've had a similar experience with salt; in fact recently, I tried leaving
> it out of the oatmeal porridge which, like any true Scot, I had eaten since
> boyhood with only salt as flavouring. Again, at first, the unsalted
> porridge seemed to taste very bland, but quite quickly I noticed other
> flavours emerging - particularly - ironically - the natural sweetness of the
> oats. Now I actually prefer it like this, so again, it hasn't turned out to
> be a deprivation, but rather a delightful discovery.
>
> Having said all this, I'm I still fond of a truly sweet experience from time
> to time, though this is now very much less compulsive, as other satisfying
> flavours are so much more apparent than before. I tend to eat cookies or
> baked goods relatively infrequently - at holiday times, or if we're in some
> English village teashop, often after a weekend hike in the countryside. I
> also look to substitute quality for quantity in my treats, as with Belgian
> chocolate, quality Scottish shortbread, speciality jams, preserved fruits,
> or fine honey, which is as sweet as it comes, but also replete with subtle
> flavours and aromas.
>
> I suppose to sum up, I would caution anyone against thinking of themselves
> as "a chocoholic" or "a dessert addict" or indeed anything fixed in that
> sort of way. We're all works in progress, - "experiments of one" - and
> once we realise this there's no end to the interesting discoveries we may
> make about ourselves and our potential for change.
>
> David
>> On 25 March 2010 02:28, wallieg26 <wallieg26@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'm a dessert addict. Has anyone had success doing fast 5, eating desserts
> > AND losing weight?
> >
> > If so, how do you discipline yourself, how do you moderate, what works for
> > you?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Wallie
> >
> >
> >
>
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