Tuesday, May 29, 2012

Re: [fast5] Re: Need some advice too

 

I had some miracle noodles again the other night. This time I rinsed them for a few minutes instead of 15 seconds like it says on the package. I chewed like crazy. Result? I felt great and didn't even see them come out undigested! Thank you for the feedback! I'm excited to add this to my repetoire. I love them!


Curious...what is this drink that you make? Would love the recipe, and curious to know when you drink it and  how much.

Thank you!

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com> wrote:
 

BTW on another list we were discussing this, and a gentleman from Japan commented

that konjac noodles often do NOT digest, and if you see them as "output" it means
they just weren't chewed. That in Japan, konjac noodles are regarded as "scrubbing"
the intestines.

This was really interesting to me, because in Discover magazine this month, there is
a discussion of breast milk and babies. There are some 150 oligosaccharides in breast
milk, many of which are only found in trace amounts in cow milk. The oligosaccharides are
not digestible by humans, which leads to the question, why are there so many of them
in breast milk? 

It turns out that the oligosaccharides act as "decoys" to the more problematic bacteria.
The bacteria glom onto them, and then are escorted out without harming the baby.
Some of the oligosaccharides also act as food for healthful bacteria. 

So now they are working to come up with the specific oligosaccharides that will
protect people against specific diseases.


Anyway, my guess is that some of these traditional "health foods", like whey,
konjac, yogurt, etc., probably already have some of the same features, but they
have not yet been identified. For me the konjac helps a lot, but, I don't eat the
noodles, I just add the konjac powder and some psyllium to a daily drink. 

The Japanese gentleman said that the best thing to re-populate the gut is
nuka vegetables. There are recipes on the internet for making your own nuka pot ...
they are a bit of work, but they do make very nice vegies.



On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Heather Twist <heathertwist@gmail.com> wrote:
I did find a reference to S. Boulardii being good, maybe, for butyrate production. It might work:
kefir has boulardii and kefir has been really good for some people in terms of digestion.
And probiotic pills with boulardii are easily available to experiment with.





On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Heather Twist <heathertwist@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. What is *supposed* to happen is that bacteria in your lower gut digest the konjac, creating butyrate. Same thing for vegies. So if you can't digest them ... or some vegies ... the likelihood is that you don't have those bacteria in your lower gut. Which is a bad thing ... butyrate is really good stuff. It's an anti-inflammatory, helps prevent colon cancer, is the preferred food for gut cells, and appears to have a role in weight stability.


The gut bacteria often go away after a person is on antibiotics. This has resulted in a kind of epidemic of clostridium difficile. 

I'm not sure which bacteria do that digesting though. A probiotic that contains the polysaccharide-bacteria, if it recolonizes your gut, would probably help you a lot. 




Of a total of 313 bacterial isolates, 74 produced more than 2 mM butyrate in vitro. Butyrate-producing isolates were grouped by 16S ribosomal DNA (rDNA) PCR-restriction fragment length polymorphism analysis. The results indicate very little overlap between the predominant ribotypes of the three subjects; furthermore, the flora of each individual changed significantly between the two isolations. Complete sequences of 16S rDNAs were determined for 24 representative strains and subjected to phylogenetic analysis. Eighty percent of the butyrate-producing isolates fell within the XIVa cluster of gram-positive bacteria as defined by M. D. Collins et al. (Int. J. Syst. Bacteriol. 44:812-826, 1994) and A. Willems et al. (Int. J. Syst. Bacteriol. 46:195-199, 1996), with the most abundant group (10 of 24 or 42%) clustering with Eubacterium rectale, Eubacterium ramulus, and Roseburia cecicola.



Butyrivibrio fibrisolvens, a butyrate-producing ruminal bacterium, was evaluated for use as a probiotic to prevent colorectal cancer. Oral administration to Jcl:ICR mice of a new strain of B. fibrisolvens (MDT-1) that produces butyrate at a high rate (109 cfu/dose) increased the rate of butyrate production by fecal microbes, 


No one seems to have a good handle on the balance of microbes that works the best though. The one doctor who has had really good results with re-colonizing bacteria, is doing a "fecal transplant" which is pretty much just what it sounds like. 




It IS known that the microbial balance is different for fat people than for thin people, and with mice, swapping bacteria changes their weight gain:

The finding was confirmed when the team transferred the bacterial gut population from TLR5-deficient mice into animals that were specially bred to have no immune system, making them incapable of rejecting foreign cells and bacteria. When these animals received the teeming gut world of the TLR5-deficient mice, they too began eating more and developed the same metabolic-syndrome symptoms that their donors had. 
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1969807,00.html#ixzz1vqu7axsV 


I did know someone who had a problem very similar to yours ... he couldn't even eat lettuce ... after some major surgery where he was on antibiotics. He eventually kicked it using 1/4 tsp. of bentonite, 3 times a week, taken on an empty stomach. I'm not sure why that would work, but bentonite is used in a lot of applications where there is a need for changing the balance of bacteria. I do know it helps me when I do get bloated, which doesn't happen much these days.l




On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:28 PM, churyl <churyl@gmail.com> wrote:


i purchased the miracle noodles, which are konjac. they ended up giving me a stomach ache, and then they came out the other end, totally undigested!

now i have ten more packs that have been languishing in my fridge for months. i wonder why my body reacted that way? i've read reviews from others who had the same reaction, and others who digested it just fine. come to think of it, i have problems with most veggies. i bloat until i look five months pregnant, and pass lots of gass the next morning. maybe i need some kind of digestive aid? i read hcl pepsin was just for protein, so i would need something else??

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Thanks for the feedback. It's good to see what works for other people.


Konjac is a fiber ... if your doc is right, and fiber is what is making you feel full, then konjac would make it worse I think.

The thing about "fullness" though is that both fullness and hunger are kind of hormonal illusions your body creates. No one really knows what all controls them and part of the point of intermittent fasting is that it seems to change how those hunger-hormones are activated.

One thing fiber does though, is get digested by microbes into butyrate, after some 12 hours or so. Butyrate is *food* for your lower gut, and has some really good and interesting side-effects in the body, but perhaps it is kicking in for you the next morning? You could experiment with less fiber and see what happens. If that over-full feeling is a bad one for you.



On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:35 AM, gremlinpugs <gremlinpugs@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Heather and Group

Well I have done several things here.

1. Can't find any real issues health wise for the feeling of fullness.
2. I have been trying the Konjac recommended.

Well, the konjac doesn't appear to work for me. If anything, I have started to gain weight back. Also, no difference with the full feeling.

I just started last week to try and adjust my window backwards a bit. Right now -- due to my work schedule -- I had a window that opened at 6:30pm when I got home. I changed it so that it opens at 3:30. I just make sure I have all my meals prepared in advance, so I can heat and eat when I get home.

On another note, my Doctor thinks that my diet is rich in fiber and because I drink at least 32 to 64 oz of water with my meal, this is what is causing the feeling of fullness in the morning. Not sure I buy that since I sometimes go to bed feeling hungry because I know in the morning I will feel full.

Oh well. Again, thanks for all the suggestions and advise.

Jennifer Lupo, D.M.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Congratulations on your progress! Your diet does sound very good.
>
> As for an overfull feeling the next morning ... could be lots of things. I
> was having
> stomach issues for some time and it turned out to be ulcers! Sheesh. So
> just theorizing, here are some possibilities:
>
> 1. Digestion issues. If your stomach doesn't feel good, sometimes that
> comes across as hunger, sometimes as feeling over-full. Stomach issues
> can include ulcers (drinking tea on an empty stomach did it to me: I still
> drink tea, but only with food), food intolerance (wheat, dairy, soy, corn
> are
> the usual culprits), lack of ability to digest fats (gall bladder issues).
>
> 2. Hormonal issues: Hormones can do it. Being pregnant (or your body
> THINKING it is pregnant) can do it.
>
>
> The fact that a number of foods make you sick kind of suggests to me
> that your digestion isn't working well. The thing that helped me with that
> was konjac ... the powder is kind of expensive but a pound of it lasts
> a LONG time. Take 1/4 tsp. with some water (do NOT try to eat it dry:
> it sticks to your mouth!), with your main food. You can also buy it in
> pill form, PGX. I have not found it to be an appetite suppressant, as
> they claim, but it does help digestion a lot.
>
> What this does is it "stretches out" digestion, so your body enzymes
> have more time to work on the food. Konjac also seems to prevent
> or cure ulcers. It's been used in Asian cuisine for 1,000 years or so.
>
> I also was having an issue with GERD, and what helped with that was
> d-limonene. You can also just eat a bit of orange peel, which is where
> limonene comes from. I started using lime juice more in my cooking
> (and on salads) and using a slice of organic lime in hot or cold water.
>
> For awhile I was also taking HCL tablets with meals. I think my
> stomach just didn't have enough acid in it. I did that for a year or
> so, but then for some reason my own HCL kicked in again and I
> didn't need it. With HCL, you keep taking a bit more and more until
> you get heartburn, then scale it back. If you don't have enough HCL,
> then you can't digest protein well at all.
>
> Sometimes eating ginger with meals helps a lot. Vinegar too: it's
> a natural on salads anyway.
>
> Anyway, experiment! When you find what works, let the rest of
> us know for future reference!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:04 AM, gremlinpugs <gremlinpugs@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi all.
> >
> > I have been doing fast5 for almost 2 years now. It has been terrific for
> > me in a lot of ways. I am not focused on the actual number of my weight or
> > even the inches, just getting healthy and this seems to be working for the
> > most part.
> >
> > I was working with a traditional nutritionist and dietician, I did
> > everything they told me including the food journal. They couldn't figure
> > out why I would gain weight and was very sick to my stomach from feeling
> > over full all the time.
> >
> > At any rate, when I found fast5 a lot of my issues changed and I lost 75
> > lbs. Unfortunately, do to personal issues causing way too much stress I
> > started gaining back some of that weight. Luckily no inches with it, so
> > that is why I don't even look at the numbers anymore.
> >
> > Well getting (finally) to my issue. Over the last 4 months or so, I have
> > noticed that over full feeling coming back in the mornings. My window is
> > 6:30pm to 11:30pm because of my job monday to friday. Saturday and Sunday I
> > generally eat earlier. I also don't use the full 5 hours as I don't need
> > to. Much like Heather suggested, I do spread my meal out.
> > I start with a nice salad of dark leafy greens mixed with almonds or pine
> > nuts and mixed with fresh berries (like blueberries or strawberries). After
> > I have my salad, I put together and cook my main meal. Now, I don't like
> > meat at all especially red meat. So my main meal consists of things like
> > fish (not shell fish), beans, quinoa, and stuff like that. After I have
> > eaten and cleaned everything up, if I am still hungry (which almost never
> > happens anymore), I tend to drink some herbal tea or water. I do drink lots
> > of water.
> >
> > Foods I cannot eat cause they either make me sick or I just don't like
> > them at all include meats, cheeses, some veggies when cooked like spinach
> > (can eat that raw, but not cooked), peanuts, milk, eggs, and foods like
> > these.
> >
> > I have been tested for all kinds of issues like my thyroid. But I come out
> > healthy if over weight (obese by medical standards -- I am 5ft 3in and 199
> > lbs). My personal trainer doesn't think I am obese or over weight, I just
> > have a lot of toning to do. :) :0)
> >
> > At any rate, I am trying to figure out how I am feeling so sick in the
> > morning and like I ate 5 times as much food as I really did. My total
> > calories from what I eat generally is between 800 and 1000. Some of my
> > doctors say I am not eating enough. But I am NOT hungry and if I eat more,
> > I get that over full feeling and sick to my stomach.
> >
> > Can anyone help? Give me some advise? I just don't want to feel sick or
> > stuffed anymore. I feel fine after I have eaten, but not the next morning.
> > :(
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Jennifer Lupo, D.M.
> >   ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> Heather Twist
> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>




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