Re: [fast5] Insulin is at the root of fat storage Re: First post here

There is a book out called "Japanese women don't get old or fat" ... it's by a Japanese woman who married an American. She adopted the American diet ... and gained 20 lbs. She and her husband then went back to "Japanese eating" and both lost 20 lbs. I don't agree with most of the book: it doesn't sufficiently explain why Japanese women don't get fat, nor does it explain why the French, on a very different diet, also remain slim. It talks a lot about attitudes about food, eating brown rice (which isn't traditional in Japan anyway), etc. But the experience of "getting skinnier eating Japanese food" and "getting fatter on American food" seems to be a common case.

Anyway, I've adopted Asian eating, mostly because I love it and also because I can't have gluten or dairy in any case (makes me ill). What I've found is that my gut problems basically disappeared, I need less sleep, my joints are happier. My blood glucose is great too. Fast-5 started this process and I did get a lot better just doing Fast-5, but switching to more rice/vegies/fish has added to that. On days when I eat baked goods and beef or potatoes or corn, I feel worse. I eat about the same amount of fat and protein regardless. The main issue seems to be the source of the protein and the type of carb. I think a lot of it has to do with iron: when I take an iron-blocker with beef or potatoes, there are less problems.

Eating one bowl of rice with vegies, fish, and eggs fills me up. I don't get "rebound eating" as people predict from a high-starch meal. It is also REALLY satisfying in a way that just eating "low carb" or "low fat" never was for me. I've been getting skinnier and stronger, rather gradually but that's not been my focus (mostly I'm trying to regain my health).

For an example of how really bad eating rice is, take a look at this guy:

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-eats-allergy-free/2010/05/bruce-lee-an-accidental-food-allergy-role-model.html

The thing about diabetes, Alzheimer's, obesity and heart disease is that they all have a statistical correlation to blood ferritin levels. In France, India, Japan, and most of the rest of the world, blood ferritin levels are low compared to America. They were even lower in the past because most people had parasites. It's like the big elephant in the room that everyone ignores: but the "skinny" cuisines all seem to be low in bio-available iron. So my experiment, on me: eat low-iron, see what happens. So far, so good.

Incidentally, I think iron levels might be one reason fasting works. Your gut cells store iron from your last meal: giving them time to "shed" that iron between meals might help.

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:04 PM, foxchyck <foxeye@jungle-fire.com> wrote:

What I would be curious to hear about - if the data are even available - is how western people who have moved to Asian and adopted an asian cuisine have fared. I've heard it suggested that asians may have a "rice digesting adaptation" much like northern europeans (and some other groups) have a "dairy digesting adaptation", but I've not yet gotten my hands on the journal articles that discuss this.

I recall that the mechanism also suggested that higher populations can result in metabolic adaptations that are more recent than the "paleo" state. AKA, places like china/india, which have sustained high populations for quite some time, may see metabolisms that thrive on food other than what hunter/gatherers evolved for.

We've seen the result of bringing asians to the united states, but I've never heard of how people of non-asian descent do when transplanted to asia. (And by "how they do" I don't mean weight so much as incidents of heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and alzheimers.)

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Both the Japanese and the Chinese have extremely low rates of obesity. They
> also eat very little meat. I don't think they have been brainwashed by
> anyone, and they do in fact gain weight when they switch to a "Western"
> diet, so it's not genes. What is even more interesting is that even when
> exercise is taken into account, Chinese men eat MORE calories and still are
> skinnier than their American counterparts. They also have a lower rate of
> diabetes.
>
> I think this is evidence that there are other factors at work, not just
> "macronutrients". It may well be that American-style carbs are deadly in
> terms of weight, and certainly *some* people do better on a diet like you
> suggest. But to generalize to "all carbs" doesn't make sense until you
> figure out what is going on for billions of people in Asia.
>
> There is another factor at work, it seems. My educated guess is that it has
> to do with *wheat* carbs (gluten messes with the villi in the intestine,
> changing satiety) and total iron in the diet (high ferritin levels correlate
> with insulin resistance, and American carbs are mostly high in bio-available
> iron).
>
> I'm not at all sure what you mean by peanuts and elephants vs. Japanese.
> Elephants aren't generally fat in any case: they have a huge belly because
> they digest a ton of grass a day. Same with gorillas.
>
> Anyway, the cutting-edge researchers right now are not focusing so much on
> percentage of macronutrients, as on details about what those macronutrients
> are. Just like you can't lump all "fats" together (trans-fats ARE bad,
> absolutely, for instance) you also can't lump all "carbs" together. Not all
> protein is the same either: fish protein acts differently in the body than
> cheese, and cheese is different than beef. You seem to be very happy with
> your diet, and suggesting it to other people can be helpful, but there isn't
> enough evidence to be absolutist about it, I think.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:13 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@...>wrote:
>
> > Fasting benefits fat loss because of lowered insulin levels.
> >
> > Fatty meat doesn't increase insulin levels.
> >
> > Same can't be said of grains and starchy carbs.
> >
> > "Why You Got Fat"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE
> >
> > "Big Fat Lies"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4
> >
> > "Diets and Hunger"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4
> >
> > The average American has been brainwashed by years of
> > Corporate/Gov-controlled media talking about the "evil" of fatty meat, while
> > lauding carbohydrates, with their penchant for increasing blood
> > sugar...which can then be "fixed" by a variety of obscenely-priced
> > corporately-produced and marketed pharmaceuticals.
> >
> > BTW, are the skinny Japanese who eat lots of rice analogous to the fat
> > elephants who eat peanuts?...or maybe it's the skinny snakes who eat mice?
> > ;-)
> >
> > There is a reason that "comparing apples to apples" became a famous
> > saying...even amongst Meateaters.
> >
> > Barnaby
> >
> >
> >
>

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