The issue of blood ferritin is new to me...I'll need to read more into that one. I suppose it's never occurred to me because I have very heavy menstrual bleeding, so I think of myself as iron deficient, if anything. Can't say I ever had it tested, though.
*gleeful cackle at the prospect of a new internet mission to undertake*
And yes, individual stories are very compelling...though goodness knows, it's hard to really draw widescale conclusions from them. :( Which I suppose is why you are experimenting on yourself.
--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> There is a book out called "Japanese women don't get old or fat" ... it's by
> a Japanese woman who married an American. She adopted the American diet ...
> and gained 20 lbs. She and her husband then went back to "Japanese eating"
> and both lost 20 lbs. I don't agree with most of the book: it doesn't
> sufficiently explain why Japanese women don't get fat, nor does it explain
> why the French, on a very different diet, also remain slim. It talks a lot
> about attitudes about food, eating brown rice (which isn't traditional in
> Japan anyway), etc. But the experience of "getting skinnier eating Japanese
> food" and "getting fatter on American food" seems to be a common case.
>
> Anyway, I've adopted Asian eating, mostly because I love it and also because
> I can't have gluten or dairy in any case (makes me ill). What I've found is
> that my gut problems basically disappeared, I need less sleep, my joints are
> happier. My blood glucose is great too. Fast-5 started this process and I
> did get a lot better just doing Fast-5, but switching to more
> rice/vegies/fish has added to that. On days when I eat baked goods and beef
> or potatoes or corn, I feel worse. I eat about the same amount of fat and
> protein regardless. The main issue seems to be the source of the protein and
> the type of carb. I think a lot of it has to do with iron: when I take an
> iron-blocker with beef or potatoes, there are less problems.
>
> Eating one bowl of rice with vegies, fish, and eggs fills me up. I don't get
> "rebound eating" as people predict from a high-starch meal. It is also
> REALLY satisfying in a way that just eating "low carb" or "low fat" never
> was for me. I've been getting skinnier and stronger, rather gradually but
> that's not been my focus (mostly I'm trying to regain my health).
>
>
> For an example of how really bad eating rice is, take a look at this guy:
>
> http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-eats-allergy-free/2010/05/bruce-lee-an-accidental-food-allergy-role-model.html
>
>
> The thing about diabetes, Alzheimer's, obesity and heart disease is that
> they all have a statistical correlation to blood ferritin levels. In France,
> India, Japan, and most of the rest of the world, blood ferritin levels are
> low compared to America. They were even lower in the past because most
> people had parasites. It's like the big elephant in the room that everyone
> ignores: but the "skinny" cuisines all seem to be low in bio-available iron.
> So my experiment, on me: eat low-iron, see what happens. So far, so good.
>
> Incidentally, I think iron levels might be one reason fasting works. Your
> gut cells store iron from your last meal: giving them time to "shed" that
> iron between meals might help.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:04 PM, foxchyck <foxeye@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > What I would be curious to hear about - if the data are even available - is
> > how western people who have moved to Asian and adopted an asian cuisine have
> > fared. I've heard it suggested that asians may have a "rice digesting
> > adaptation" much like northern europeans (and some other groups) have a
> > "dairy digesting adaptation", but I've not yet gotten my hands on the
> > journal articles that discuss this.
> >
> > I recall that the mechanism also suggested that higher populations can
> > result in metabolic adaptations that are more recent than the "paleo" state.
> > AKA, places like china/india, which have sustained high populations for
> > quite some time, may see metabolisms that thrive on food other than what
> > hunter/gatherers evolved for.
> >
> > We've seen the result of bringing asians to the united states, but I've
> > never heard of how people of non-asian descent do when transplanted to asia.
> > (And by "how they do" I don't mean weight so much as incidents of heart
> > disease, diabetes, cancer, and alzheimers.)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Both the Japanese and the Chinese have extremely low rates of obesity.
> > They
> > > also eat very little meat. I don't think they have been brainwashed by
> > > anyone, and they do in fact gain weight when they switch to a "Western"
> > > diet, so it's not genes. What is even more interesting is that even when
> > > exercise is taken into account, Chinese men eat MORE calories and still
> > are
> > > skinnier than their American counterparts. They also have a lower rate of
> > > diabetes.
> > >
> > > I think this is evidence that there are other factors at work, not just
> > > "macronutrients". It may well be that American-style carbs are deadly in
> > > terms of weight, and certainly *some* people do better on a diet like you
> > > suggest. But to generalize to "all carbs" doesn't make sense until you
> > > figure out what is going on for billions of people in Asia.
> > >
> > > There is another factor at work, it seems. My educated guess is that it
> > has
> > > to do with *wheat* carbs (gluten messes with the villi in the intestine,
> > > changing satiety) and total iron in the diet (high ferritin levels
> > correlate
> > > with insulin resistance, and American carbs are mostly high in
> > bio-available
> > > iron).
> > >
> > > I'm not at all sure what you mean by peanuts and elephants vs. Japanese.
> > > Elephants aren't generally fat in any case: they have a huge belly
> > because
> > > they digest a ton of grass a day. Same with gorillas.
> > >
> > > Anyway, the cutting-edge researchers right now are not focusing so much
> > on
> > > percentage of macronutrients, as on details about what those
> > macronutrients
> > > are. Just like you can't lump all "fats" together (trans-fats ARE bad,
> > > absolutely, for instance) you also can't lump all "carbs" together. Not
> > all
> > > protein is the same either: fish protein acts differently in the body
> > than
> > > cheese, and cheese is different than beef. You seem to be very happy with
> > > your diet, and suggesting it to other people can be helpful, but there
> > isn't
> > > enough evidence to be absolutist about it, I think.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:13 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Fasting benefits fat loss because of lowered insulin levels.
> > > >
> > > > Fatty meat doesn't increase insulin levels.
> > > >
> > > > Same can't be said of grains and starchy carbs.
> > > >
> > > > "Why You Got Fat"
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE
> > > >
> > > > "Big Fat Lies"
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4
> > > >
> > > > "Diets and Hunger"
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4
> > > >
> > > > The average American has been brainwashed by years of
> > > > Corporate/Gov-controlled media talking about the "evil" of fatty meat,
> > while
> > > > lauding carbohydrates, with their penchant for increasing blood
> > > > sugar...which can then be "fixed" by a variety of obscenely-priced
> > > > corporately-produced and marketed pharmaceuticals.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, are the skinny Japanese who eat lots of rice analogous to the fat
> > > > elephants who eat peanuts?...or maybe it's the skinny snakes who eat
> > mice?
> > > > ;-)
> > > >
> > > > There is a reason that "comparing apples to apples" became a famous
> > > > saying...even amongst Meateaters.
> > > >
> > > > Barnaby
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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