--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Both the Japanese and the Chinese have extremely low rates of obesity. They
> also eat very little meat. I don't think they have been brainwashed by
> anyone, and they do in fact gain weight when they switch to a "Western"
> diet, so it's not genes. What is even more interesting is that even when
> exercise is taken into account, Chinese men eat MORE calories and still are
> skinnier than their American counterparts. They also have a lower rate of
> diabetes.
>
> I think this is evidence that there are other factors at work, not just
> "macronutrients". It may well be that American-style carbs are deadly in
> terms of weight, and certainly *some* people do better on a diet like you
> suggest. But to generalize to "all carbs" doesn't make sense until you
> figure out what is going on for billions of people in Asia.
>
> There is another factor at work, it seems. My educated guess is that it has
> to do with *wheat* carbs (gluten messes with the villi in the intestine,
> changing satiety) and total iron in the diet (high ferritin levels correlate
> with insulin resistance, and American carbs are mostly high in bio-available
> iron).
>
> I'm not at all sure what you mean by peanuts and elephants vs. Japanese.
> Elephants aren't generally fat in any case: they have a huge belly because
> they digest a ton of grass a day. Same with gorillas.
Your present diet is clearly affecting your vision, as after my "fat elephants and skinny snakes" comment you clearly missed THIS!
;-)
Please use your remaining vision to watch the YouTube video clips from "FatHead" which I posted, talking about the interrelationship of carbs, insulin, and fat. That is what I wanted the new poster to realize as she has been exposed to American media brainwashing thinking Canola (Rapeseed) vegetable oil and "lean meat" was better than saturated animal fats and believed that animal Fat was her enemy and starchy Carbs her friend (as long as they are "complex"). Others have pointed that out to her to not eat so much pasta, as Gary Taubes, Eades and others equate a slice of bread to pure sugar. All this affects insulin...which affects fat-burning or storing.
I CLEARLY have not thrown the good animal fats into the same pot as Trans-fats, despite your skewing in defense of non-meat-eating,rice-gobbling "slant eye" vegetarians in an "absolutist" fashion. <G>
Please get back on subject about Insulin, as that is the basis of body fat loss caused by fasting.
Barnaby
> Anyway, the cutting-edge researchers right now are not focusing so much on
> percentage of macronutrients, as on details about what those macronutrients
> are. Just like you can't lump all "fats" together (trans-fats ARE bad,
> absolutely, for instance) you also can't lump all "carbs" together. Not all
> protein is the same either: fish protein acts differently in the body than
> cheese, and cheese is different than beef. You seem to be very happy with
> your diet, and suggesting it to other people can be helpful, but there isn't
> enough evidence to be absolutist about it, I think.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:13 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@...>wrote:
>
> > Fasting benefits fat loss because of lowered insulin levels.
> >
> > Fatty meat doesn't increase insulin levels.
> >
> > Same can't be said of grains and starchy carbs.
> >
> > "Why You Got Fat"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE
> >
> > "Big Fat Lies"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4
> >
> > "Diets and Hunger"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4
> >
> > The average American has been brainwashed by years of
> > Corporate/Gov-controlled media talking about the "evil" of fatty meat, while
> > lauding carbohydrates, with their penchant for increasing blood
> > sugar...which can then be "fixed" by a variety of obscenely-priced
> > corporately-produced and marketed pharmaceuticals.
> >
> > BTW, are the skinny Japanese who eat lots of rice analogous to the fat
> > elephants who eat peanuts?...or maybe it's the skinny snakes who eat mice?
> > ;-)
> >
> > There is a reason that "comparing apples to apples" became a famous
> > saying...even amongst Meateaters.
> >
> > Barnaby
> >
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