I totally agree, Michelle.
Tristin
--- On Thu, 12/24/09, mlauchner <oldstuff4me@
From: mlauchner <oldstuff4me@
Subject: [epilepsy] Re: Anti-depressants or God
To: epilepsy@yahoogroup
Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 10:14 AM
I realize I'm new to the group here, but I have to say something about this post. I'm not sure how you've come up with your opinion that "churches are attended mostly by criminals and drug abusers in order to think they're improving their lives", but church is exactly where a criminal and a drug abuser ought to be! I am neither one of those, nor is anyone I have attended church with over the last 40 years! It's a shame that Craig has brought out such sharp responses to God/religion. What you wrote is a little offensive, and I'd just like to say that maybe next time you could take into consideration that there are those of us here who are christians, who maybe don't share the same perspective as Craig.
Michelle
--- In epilepsy@yahoogroup s.com, TIMOTHY BALDWIN <tbb1@...> wrote:
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> Jason,
> I delete everything that starts with Craig's name, they always contained MSG, his reasoning behind anything he'd say, now its even worse religion w/o MSG. Not a single church or religion qualify as anything but .0001 above the lowest spot on my mind. I'm using enough prescribed drugs I don't need this type of crap. Churches are attended mostly by criminals and drug abusers in order to think they' re improving their lives. Tim Baldwin    Â
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> From: Jason <tiscione@.. .>
> To: epilepsy@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 7:44:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [epilepsy] Re: Anti-depressants or God
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> Is this a reply to Craig? Don't let him bother you.
>
> Craig has proven time and time again that he can be a good writer.
> Unfortunately his convictions tend to curl his writing into screeds against
> glutamate and aspartate and certain reuptake inhibitors. Furthermore he has
> found great comfort from his religion and has the purest of motives when he
> declares how it has helped him.
>
> Unfortunately he tends to discourage therapies that have been proven to help
> people. He does this with benign intentions- I can see that- and he doesn't
> think he's not doing us a favor. The warnings get repeated and repeated for
> the benefit of new people joining the list, he once said. We who have been
> here for a while are aware of that. Whether he is doing any good or not is a
> matter of debate. But the thing is, most people learn to speedread or skip
> over posts that take the form of two dense paragraphs, especially when they
> see MSG or CARAGEENAN or other drug names in capitals. And the net result
> is, Craig's warnings tend to carry little weight after you've seen enough of
> them.
>
> Craig once wrote his own autobiography in here once and I thought it was
> excellent. I wish I could find it again. Sadly he is most comfortable
> writing "warning" posts. I don't share his religious beliefs either and they
> don't bother me in the least. When he recommends some drug at the expense of
> whatever everyone is taking, nobody is usually bothered by that. It's just
> Craig being Craig.
>
> -Jason
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> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:49 PM, anon <teads613@netscape. net> wrote:
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> > As the relative of a person with mental illness and epilepsy, I think it is
> > highly irresponsible to discourage people from getting the medicines they
> > need based on your religious experience and YOUR experience with one drug.
> > Hopefully, everyone here is astute enough to make their own decisions even
> > if they do not share your beliefs. We are Orthodox Jewish and can definitely
> > see a PLACE for faith if that sustains you and helps you, but it should not
> > come at the expense of proven medical treatments. I am glad you found what
> > worked for YOU.
> >
> > --- In epilepsy@yahoogroup s.com, craig davis <ohs7778@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > After my surgery on 7/11/01, I was joyful as I knew God answered my
> > prayers in the time before I decided to have the surgery. He also guided me
> > though everything as he says so in his word. Psalm 32 vs 8, Proverbs 3 vs
> > 5,6. Jesus also said to ask anything in his name according his will and he
> > will do it. I knew all of that before my surgery and I never forget it.
> > When 1 to 3 months after surgery went by I was told that I needed
> > anti-depressents because I was still in the joyful state of mind as I knew 3
> > months before my surgery I was going to make it through the surgery and be
> > fine. The doctors then said before my surgery that research proved that
> > people with faith in God do have a higher percentage of making it through
> > the tough trials and procedures like brain or heart surgery than those who
> > do not have any faith in God. Since I proved that to them, I asked the
> > doctors when they wanted me to try Paxil, Why can't
> > > you let God handle things from here on out ? They of course said that
> > God can't always control everything on how the brain functions. I said WHAT
> > ? I told then God is in control of everything so I would not need Paxil.. It
> > got to the point where they insisted I took Paxil or else I may have more
> > problems in the future if my seritonin levels were not balanced just right.
> > I asked then How do you know they are not right ? They could not tell me
> > that one way or the other. So I was at the mercy of the doctors and their
> > fears of what could happen to me instead of just trusting God from tat day
> > on.. Against my beliefs & will I took the paxil. What a mistake as I
> > remembered the TV ads in those days. FELL BETTER THAN YOU EVER FEEL IN YEARS
> > !!!!! FEEL LIKE YOURSELF AGAIN. Oh believe me I felt like I never did before
> > in my life. I could not sleep. ''' it's to help you sleep better''. I had
> > weird dreams one after the other as I took LORAZAPAM to help me sleep. I
> > > had more auras as I had not had since surgery. I was frustrated all the
> > time, I was anxious and a nervous wreck. Five months after surgery I had my
> > 1st Grand Mal event that the doctors said was a non-eplieptic seizure due
> > from the brain not healing right. Whan I heard that that was when I went off
> > the PAXIL on my own, knowing it may had been the cause of that non-epileptic
> > event I had on 10/1/01. No foods caused that one.
> > > For the following 4 months I was off the PAXIL I felt 100% better as I
> > knew I was not having that junk in my system and that God was taking care of
> > it all for me. When I went back to the doctors I told the cheif neurologist
> > what I did and why I did it. He said I went off of the medicine for the
> > opposite reasons I should had stayed on it. I asked him if i were to live
> > forever with taking the Paxil and feeling that way all the time and he said
> > No. He did tell me to try it again and if I felt the same way to go off of
> > it, that I may had been put on it to soon after the surgery. So I did and
> > everything was the same. I e-mailed the docotr and told him the same things
> > as I went off of it again and he said ok, we'll not worry about Paxil for
> > me.. I told him then with God who needs paxil or any other anti-depressent
> > ? of course I got no answers from him, yet they all believe God can help in
> > other ways & things. I believe God helps in ''all things'' if you
> > > allow him to prove it to you. These anti-depressents are only made for
> > people to put trust in a pill rather than the one ond only power who can
> > make a super natural difference in you're life that is not fake. Drugs might
> > help some while your on them, but if you can not afford it/them and have to
> > go off of a drug or drugs, what then will help you ? Sure I get depressed
> > but I do not worry about things like I use to. Maybe that's because the
> > lesion I had was at the emotional part of my brain when it was removed or
> > maybe it is because of God through his eternal son Jesus Christ who can make
> > a difference in a persons life. All I know is drugs are not always the
> > answer but God is. You don't have to test me and second guess this what I
> > typed here. Challenge Jesus instead and he may give you the peace you need.
> > I'm ready though as I have Gods Armor on ready for the attacks. God at times
> > has ignored me so I may try to act like him if it is required.
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