Actually I think that's 100,000, not a million ... I'll have to read the
chart again ...
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Heather Twist<heathertwist@gmail.com> wrote:
> Resveratol is in grape juice, but I'm not sure it's what interferes
> with iron absorption. The thing I read was basically talking about
> iron-deficiency ... some foods, taken with a meal high in iron,
> prevent absorption. Grape juice, prune juice, cayenne, and whole
> grains fall into that category.
>
> Other foods actively chelate iron: VIt C, turmeric. Grape juice
> has Vit C, but it also has whatever it has that prevents absorption.
> So it gets complicated.
>
> The beef thing just floors me though. Beef is associated with
> raising blood ferritin levels. Fish are not. But there IS iron in
> fish (and most other animal foods), and it's the kind of iron that
> should be absorbed. So what is it about beef? It doesn't appear
> to be race-dependent ... Northern Europeans are definitely
> different (I was reading Jared Diamond today, and if I interpret
> him correctly, Europeans branched off from the rest of humanity
> some one million years ago ????) ... but other people who eat
> beef also get higher ferritin levels. Which for most nations is
> a *good* thing.
>
> Mind you I eat local too, and we get our one grass-fed cow
> a year, and I'm picking up this year's beef in a couple of days.
> So I'm really looking for a different answer. (we do have local
> fish though: the humpys are running!).
>
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> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Ellen Ussery<ellen.ussery@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hmmm. I am finding some reduction of my blood sugar with resveratrol.
>> Isn't that the stuff from grape juice?
>>
>> I have Northern European genes on both sides. I have for a long time
>> had this sense that fish would probably be the best thing for me to
>> eat most of the time I try to eat it often , but ya know, here we
>> are with our little "modernhomestead", trying to eat local and, well,
>> fish just isn't that local! But, as I said we have lots of our own
>> poultry these days and it needs to be eaten. So I will see if it
>> makes any difference
>>
>> The other way that turmeric could work is that if it does reduce
>> iron, which then reduces Diabetes. and also the high undiagnosed post
>> prandial blood sugar, you will then have both less vascular
>> dementia and less AGEs which can be a cause of plaque formation in the
>> brain of Alzheimers patients.
>>
>> Ellen
>>
>> On 8/31/09, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm not planning on adding grains either, at least not the
>>> wheat variety. My diet now is mainly meats and vegies
>>> and fruit. But I have cut down on "beef" as an experiment.
>>> I mean, we have chicken and goose and duck and lots of types
>>> of fish, and pork and lamb. I feel the best when I eat the most
>>> fish.
>>>
>>> Turmeric pulls iron out of the system: it's a "moderate chelator".
>>> This is mainly interesting in terms of India: the thought has been
>>> that the turmeric somehow prevents Alzheimer's, and now they
>>> are thinking that maybe the way this happens is that turmeric
>>> leeches iron out of the system.
>>>
>>> I don't really think this has been a problem for most of history.
>>> For most of history humans had gut parasites, and people with
>>> parasites are usually iron deficient. Also, there is a very good
>>> iron-regulating system inside people. The gut cells absorb iron
>>> and only release it to the blood as needed: the gut cells then
>>> slough off (they only live 3 days or so) and take the iron with
>>> them.
>>>
>>> However, a goodly chunk of the Northern European population
>>> has genes that prevent this. I'm not sure about other populations.
>>> But if you lack the "iron protection" service, then it's easy to
>>> overdose. On the other hand, if you DO have the iron protection
>>> genes, then it's unlikely you have too much iron. So it's not
>>> really something that one can guess at. It's very genetic.
>>>
>>> Also what isn't known is what blood ferritin levels SHOULD be.
>>> What is clear is that people in the higher ferritin level categories
>>> are more prone to heart disease and T2 diabetes. But there
>>> really needs to be more research on it.
>>>
>>> For myself though, I'm pretty sure that this is an issue in my
>>> family. I'll be getting the tests I think, including the genetic
>>> tests, then I won't be guessing. The thing is though, that
>>> when I eat beef, take turmeric, or VIt C, I start getting heart
>>> arrhythmia, which is often caused by high iron levels. My
>>> working guess is that those three things all change
>>> iron levels ... otherwise I can't see a connection between
>>> those items!
>>>
>>> BTW dark grape juice (and dark wine) also inhibits iron
>>> absorption. Which makes me wonder if this isn't part of
>>> the French diet issue: they drink wine always with
>>> meals, which by my theory would lower their levels
>>> of T2 diabetes and heart disease.
>>>
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