Well I don't know much about the cream other then they do not have as high a concentration of magnesium in them as the transdermal magnesium flakes and 'oil' or the gel for that matter. And magnesium is not going to work unless the protocol is followed and followed deligently. Just as your drugs will not work if enough is not given and if directions for when to take it is not followed.
Epson salts or magnesium sulphate is not a good choice to get magnesum levels up either - it is good if you need sulfate though.
"magnesium sulfate, commonly known as Epsom salts, is rapidly excreted through the kidneys and therefore difficult to assimilate. This would explain in part why the effects from Epsom salt baths do not last long and why you need more magnesium sulfate in a bath than magnesium chloride to get similar results. Magnesium chloride is easily assimilated and metabolized in the human body. [1] Parents of children with autism frequently use Epsom salts baths or creams because of the sulfate, which they are usually deficient in due to metabolic issues. Sulfate is also crucial to the body and is wasted in the urine of autistic children. "
from
Why Magnesium Chloride
10 references
http://magnesiumforlife.com/product-information/why-magnesium-chloride/
I keep trying to stress that following a protocol is critical to success when using magnesium . I don't understand the problem some poeple seem to have with this concept - you seem to understand how important it is to follow absolutely and correctly instructions for taking drugs , so I fail to understand why so many of you seem to have a problem realizing that a protocol is very important when using magnesium too.
The best way to fail using magnesium is not to follow completely the protocols for taking it. Just as drugs do not give the wished for effect if enough is not taken - so it is the same with magnesium. Magnesium is not a wonder cure not is it magic - it is a natural tool that our bodies use to cause different effects. The problem is also though that many doctors whom do know something about magnesium don't seem to realize that it is necessary to use a protocol when using magnesium - they treat it as if a couple of pills can do miraculous things. Well a couple of pills of antibiotics is not going to do much either..................
I say that all epileptics are magnesium deficient because the studies say so - plus the neurons in the brain can not fire large bursts of electrican energy if there is enough magesium to regulate the neurons.
Maybe you will understand this.
Just for a moment, lets pretend that a heart attack is the heart muscle going into a spasm. If there was a way to prevent that muscle spasm, would you then say that all heart attacks can be prevented?
Look I personally do not give a fig if you use magnesium IVs or magnesium injections or take oral magnesium or use transdermal magnesium. But I know that results with oral magnesium is very iffy so I told everyone why - if somebody wants to waste their time and money taking oral magnesium that is fine with me. They should not be surprised though if it does not work. If somebody has a doctor that gives magnesium IVs, then go for it, if they don't mind the expense too. Of is a person has a doctor that will give magnesium injections and this person does not mind getting 12 injections plus the cost - well then they should go for it. However if a person does not have a way to get magnesium IVs or injections, or does not want to pay so much to get their magnesium levels up, or wishes to be sure they are able to get magnesium levels up - then they still do have another option which is transdermal magnesium. Or is somebody wishes a sure thing, or as sure as it gets, then they have the obtion of using transdermal. If anybody wishes to mess around that is fine with me. If a person wishes to spend a lot of money or wishes to fail ,that is no skin off of my nose. I thought I would share my knowledge of how to use a method that was safe, relatively convenient , less expensive and that had a good chance of success.
I find it very illuminating that in over a dozen other yahoo health groups nobody thinks I am trying to sell something, but many of you do here. - but maybe it is because all the other groups I belong to are accustomed to people sharing knowledge; in fact expect it. Whereas here when somebody new joins and asks if there are any cures for epilepsy, they are told no - certainly no sharing here. But gee, if you tell a new member that some poeple have been cured, they might have hope, might even be successful at stopping their seizues....... Unless of coarse new memebers are told there is no cure because the members here are "all-knowing" and Gods, and know that magnesium could never ever stop seizures in anyone --- guess then that I was just a fluke as well as all the other people whom have had seizures decreased and stopped completely. I wonder how many people have to be successful for it to no longer be a fluke?
Well, for me that is too bad that everyone here is so "all-knowing"; I did not intend to stick around as I don't have seizures anymore, but if I don't stay a member, then new members are going to be told that there is nothing but taking drugs forever.
Good luck with your son...
blessings
Shan
--- In epilepsy@yahoogroups.com, matthew ferguson <ferg1975@...> wrote:
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