1) Yeah, this is a subject I'm fairly...wary of. I never feel like I have all the information whenever discussing the eating habits of places where people are healthier. It just seems like there are so many ways to to draw the wrong conclusions, especially if you aren't looking at ALL of them at once. Even the simple subject of "what our ancestors ate" makes me nervous, despite my loose respect for the idea of "eating primal". (Mostly because my parents switched to that lifestyle, and it's gone very well for them.)
2) New info to me. Thank you. :) I must make a date with google...
3) Definitely no argument from me about the importance of the quality of meat. :) My "golden standard" of a carnivorous human is a man who ate almost nothing but what he killed himself (with a bow no less), often in an uncooked, very fresh state. (Well, ok, and he seemed to have a thing for peas as well.) The guy was not only lean and possessed of enough energy to exhaust me, but his eyesight and hearing were superior to mine, and his mind was very sharp.
Then I went and married the poor man and introduced him to the western diet and urban living and it's been downhill from there. :( We're both hoping to move back somewhere where hunting is an option, so we can stock our freezer with food we've acquired ourself.
--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "hillrunner_tx" <preedntx@...> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> Yep, agree with you on that. But, consider:
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> 1. The Masai tribe are held up by the low carb advocates as an example of a society that is free of coronary disease and their diet is primarily blood, whole milk and meat from their cattle. Researchers have actually found this is not 100% correct.
> 2. We also face the issues of oxidization of cholesterol. Scientists are still trying to figure out when or how or what foods are vulnerable to this concern. (I've got a friend who has a PhD in biochemistry and he confirmed this one for me…you may want to check with you dad and see if he has insights as I'm curious.)
> 3. Just plain bad or cheap meats. The fatty, grain fed meats (chicken, beef, pork) have zero resemblance to what our grandparents ate or what real "meat" looks like. Anyone who has been a hunter or gone through military survival school can back me on this: deer, elk are lean, lean meats. Bugs, small rodents and rabbits are lean. (If you're in survival school, you'll learn bugs are a good source of protein.) They are also loaded with Omega 3 fats, not this s----y crap they call "meat" that is loaded with Omega 6 fatty—which are incredibly pro-inflammatory and are associated with heart disease, cancers, etc.
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> That's where the Atkins, Taubes, etc., mindset went so wrong. Our ancestors or peoples still "living off the land" never ate animal proteins that are chock full of SFAs/Omega 6 fats. Wild animals are lean and clean.
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> I agree more with the ideas in the Zone: focus on leaner proteins, consume Omega 3s through plant and animal source, limit starches and avoid/eliminate sugars while limiting your caffeine intake—as you note, very inflammatory.
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> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "foxchyck" <foxeye@> wrote:
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> > There are also places in the world which survive on sparse meals of mostly animal product who don't have the diseases of civilization. :/ All depends on whose data you want to pay attention to. It's very easy to pick and choose. What we can at least say for sure is that mostly refined wheat and sugar ain't it. :)
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> > Personally, I'm currently in the "go carnivore if you can" camp. Primal if all meat becomes too intense. I just have seen how I feel when I eat mostly animal vs mostly plant. And wheat just...ugh. Doesn't matter if it's whole grains or not, still makes me feel bad. So I figure I'll just put a bit Gluten Sensitive stamp on my forehead and jump on that bandwagon, because folks don't argue with me too much when I put it that way.
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> > (Regarding arterial health, truly, there's no correlation between dietary cholesterol and heart disease. My father, a Ph.D. biologist, scoured all the literature after his first heart scare, and came to the same conclusion that many people have been muttering - and which Taubes made more visible. Which is that the FUD about animal fat is just that: FUD. Inflammation is more what we should be paying attention to.)
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