Heather, could you remind me again (because it's too early in the morning to use search :P)...wasn't there something about the white rice you use that wasn't precisely like most rice out there. Was it that it *wasn't* enriched?
--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
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> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:41 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@...>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > With all the studying you do, I'm surprised you don't know "why" the high
> > carb white rice works. But hey, not everyone is willing to experiment, as
> > you, growing "flying" chickenfeed. ;-)
> >
>
> LOL! Yeah, I have a VERY tolerant family.
>
> I do have one theory about why this diet works. It has to do with the
> appestat and food predictivity (I don't know if that's a word, so maybe I
> made it up).
>
> Rats don't get fat normally, even when you way overfeed them and they don't
> get any exercise. The food just sits and gets moldy. To do "fat rats"
> experiments, you need a special breed of rat.
>
> But here is the deal: the rat gets the same rat chow, day after day. The rat
> knows exactly how much to eat, because it is THE SAME FOOD. If they are
> given separate foods, the rat eats a bit of this and a bit of that, to get
> exactly the right carb/fat/protein ratio, and also according to other
> nutrients it needs. That little rat brain knows what to eat.
>
> However, if you don't feed the rat "real" food ... you give it a protein
> shake, say ... then the rat can't choose what to eat. In general, it will
> eat just the right amount of protein shake though, day after day.
>
> If the protein shake doesn't have enough of one nutrient, then the rat might
> eat too many calories though ... in order to get that nutrient.
>
> And here is the kicker: if you CHANGE the protein shake, then the rat eats
> too much or too little for a couple of days, until its brain figures out how
> much to eat. It can't predict, based on taste, what are the contents of the
> shake.
>
> So with human beings ... in most times and places, people had something we
> call a "food culture" or a "cuisine". Most families had, say, 10-12 recipes
> that they cooked a LOT ... roast chicken on Sunday, say, or baked potatoes
> and steak, or rice and beans. Or whatever. But people's brains knew what was
> in the food, because it was the same food. And when Mom baked you a cookie
> ... it was Mom's cookie recipe that she always made, and your brain knew how
> many to eat.
>
> Also, Mom made meals in such a way that they filled you UP. She didn't want
> to waste food, or have you whining for more in an hour or two. She probably
> didn't think about this much, just, tended to make stuff that made you full
> and happy.
>
> Now, what happens today with food?
>
> First, it's not Mom making it. It's some food company. And that food company
> is not at all interested in filling you UP. They want you to eat LOTS. And
> they do tests to see: how many cookies will people eat? They tend to choose
> the recipes where testers eat LOTS of cookies. I don't really blame MSG
> here: I think it's more the case that Mom used lots of eggs and some butter
> and milk and such so Mom's cookies had plenty of nutrients and protein
> (because again: she wanted you to be full). Cookie companies don't use those
> ingredients so much: they are expensive, and also, they fill people up, so
> people don't eat so many of them.
>
> Second, your brain can't predict what is in the food. The food companies are
> all different, and they change their recipes whenever they feel like it. Two
> snack bars can look and taste alike and be wildly different in calorie
> content. It's even worse with stuff like hamburgers and fries.
>
> So your average Asian meal consists of rice, plus some toppings for the
> rice. You can eat more rice, or less rice. More toppings, or less toppings.
> Usually there is a choice of toppings at each meal.
>
> What happens? First, your body knows what "rice" is. It can predict the
> calorie content really easily. It knows exactly how much of it to eat.
> Second, you can change the meal content according to what you NEED to eat,
> rather than according to "serving size".
>
> So when I say my family tends to eat "one chicken thigh" worth of chicken
> ... it's not because that's what I tell them to eat. That is just my
> observation. I serve vegies, rice, meat, sauces. They eat what they feel
> like eating. If I cook one huge yummy steak per person ... they still only
> eat part of one steak. And they only eat about a cup of rice. It's actually
> pretty consistent. But sometimes my daughter will just pig out and eat a
> huge amount of one thing. She stays pretty much the same weight always.
>
> Also, "gelatinized" starches act differently in your body than "dry"
> starches. I'm not sure what all the differences are, but part of it is
> bacteriological. If you feed a horse dry oats, too many of them, the horse
> will die. The bacteria overgrow and the horse gets acidosis. But, horses
> race faster if they get more oats, so they do "extruded" oats, where the
> oats are gelatinized, kind of like oat spaghetti. Those don't kill the
> horse.
>
> Steamed rice is gelatinized. Rice crackers are not. So eating steamed rice
> with a meal makes sense to me.
>
>
>
> I think I'll have to go back to a more controlled experiment of white rice
> > and salmon, being sure that white rice is the only source of carbs. It
> > doesn't make sense that high carbs of white rice would be good, but it
> > hasn't at first glance logically made sense that Fats are good for us,
> > either.
> >
>
> You might want to stick in some good greens too, and a
> garlic/ginger/whatever sauce. You body wants the stuff that is in greens
> too, I think.
>
>
>
> >
> > Thanks for the reports on your experiments, I'm going back to read more of
> > your blog.
> >
>
> I hope it doesn't warp your mind too badly :-)
>
>
> >
> > Barnaby
> >
>
> --
> Heather Twist
> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>
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