[fast5] Re: Health Related Question

Thanks, MJ, for your very sensible advice. I appreciate it!

z2

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Mary Jeanette Mannino <mjm1@...> wrote:
>
> It would really be hard to say, but I would bet it was postural
> hypotension. That is when the blood pressure drops when you sit
up
> too quickly. I wear several professional hats, but my main job is
as
> a nurse anesthetist in a plastic surgery practice. The reason why
I
> mention that is because many of our patients (young and old) get
that
> woozie feeling if we sit them up too quickly after surgery. We
lay
> them down and give them some more IV fluids and sit them up
gradually.
>
> Because your friend is new to this eating style, she may not have
> adapted to it yet. She also may be dehydrated. I would recommend
she
> drink some tea or water with lemon on a regular basis until she
> adapts. The same thing happened to me early on when I was at the
gym
> and stood up too quickly while lifting weights. After that I just
> made sure I was well hydrated and never had a problem since.
>
> A final note, in my very humble opinion, this program simply will
not
> work for all people. That is why it is important to listen to
your
> body and follow what it is telling you. I am a big fan of the
CRON
> website and the posts that are based on current research.
Restricting
> calories with optimal nutrition appears to be very important for
> longevity. Maybe your friend would do better with smaller meals
at
> more frequent intervals. We are all our own research projects.
>
> MJ
>
> On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:21 AM, zipolite2 wrote:
>
> > Thanks, everyone, for your good posts. MJ, what is your opinion
> > about my initial question about the wooziness my friend is
> > experiencing occasionally getting started on Fast 5? She is 76,
but
> > in truly excellent health, non-drinker, non-smoker, takes no
> > pharmaceuticals, has a career... I can't keep up with her!
> >
> > I have done quite a bit of juice fasting and in the beginning
> > experienced light-headedness etc. After several years of fasting
> > experience I no longer have any adverse symptoms, and fell quite
> > naturally into the Fast 5 way of eating.
> >
> > My sense is that she is just going through an adjustment period.
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Thanks! Cheers to all.
> >
> > z2
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Mary Jeanette Mannino <mjm1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your response, Ellen. I agree with your assessment
and
> > > that many people tend to get obsessed with numbers and health.
My
> > > friends and I, all over 60 have made a pact not to talk about
our
> > > bowels; something our parents did to a fault!
> > >
> > > I must admit that I first looked at fast5 as a weight loss plan.
> > And
> > > while I have lost weight and continue to, I have found this way
of
> > > eating to be very intuitive for me. I am not hungry until about
> > 2:00
> > > pm and usually start my eating window then. It is funny that
when
> > I
> > > go off fast5, as I recently did when I had house guests, I feel
> > > sluggish, eat too much, and am uncomfortable.
> > >
> > > One of the jobs I have is teaching evidence based best practices
> > to
> > > advance practice nurses. So I am able to keep current on the
> > > literature and realize how little we know about the body and
> > disease.
> > > One of my students is a diabetes nurse educator and has
> > unbelievable
> > > stories about her patients and their eating habits. I hope
> > science
> > > will soon get some answers on this epidemic, so people can lead
> > > productive and healthy lives.
> > >
> > > MJ
> > >
> > > On Feb 23, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Ellen Ussery wrote:
> > >
> > > > MJ,
> > > >
> > > > My point was NOT to check it every day and be obsessive. It
was
> > to
> > > > check it for a few days in response to normal meals and find
out
> > how
> > > > you respond to the particular kind of meals you eat.
> > > >
> > > > Getting the HgAlC would certainly be another way to do
> > this,
> > > > if you want to go to your doctor that often. Although that
> > wouldn't
> > > > tell you about particular foods and some people do respond
more
> > to
> > > > some foods than others regardless of whether they are
considered
> > low
> > > > carb or low glycemic.
> > > >
> > > > Also I was referring to older people and people having some
> > health
> > > > or weight,issues, not the entire populace. A lot of people
come
> > to
> > > > this board to lose weight and are thinking only about the
> > weight,
> > > > but often there are blood sugar and insulin issues involved.
In
> > the
> > > > long term, it could only help them to understand what is going
> > on
> > > > and not rely solely on the occasional fasting blood sugar
test.
> > I
> > > > certainly wish I has understood all this 50 years ago. I
> > suspect I
> > > > would have made different choices and as a result had more
time
> > and
> > > > energy productive work as well as fun.
> > > >
> > > > Ellen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Mary Jeanette Mannino
> > > > <mjm1@>wrote:
> > > > I really think that checking your blood sugar daily is
overkill,
> > > > unless you are a diabetic. It would be better to get a HgA1C
> > test
> > > > every 3-6 months to get a snapshot of your blood sugars over a
> > > > period of time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sorry Ellen, I am over 70, have a strong family history of
> > diabetes,
> > > > but fortunately am not a diabetic. If one is a diabetic or
very
> > > > ill, tight control of blood sugar and insulin levels have been
> > found
> > > > to be critical in maintaining health. For those of us who are
> > > > healthy, a few simple things work well to feel good. LISTEN TO
> > YOUR
> > > > BODY!! If you are hungry, eat (good, nutrient rich food), if
you
> > are
> > > > thirsty, drink enough to quench the thrist, exercise enough to
> > be
> > > > flexible and to challenge the heart (I do yoga and take long
> > > > walks). Part of my feeling great is not to be obsessive about
> > > > things, so I don't weigh myself daily, nor do I check my blood
> > > > pressure and wouldn't think of checking my blood sugar. If I
> > did
> > > > all of that, I wouldn't have time to have fun.
> > > >
> > > > MJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 23, 2009, at 6:25 AM, Ellen Ussery wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Just want to agree with Heather about the glucometer. I had
> > the
> > > >> same experience of seeing high blood sugars when I thought
that
> > > >> feeling I had been having was from low blood sugar.
> > > >>
> > > >> From what I have been reading, that low blood sugar feeling
> > often
> > > >> comes about if your sugar have been higher than they should
be
> > for
> > > >> a while and now they are coming down. My experience bears
this
> > > >> out. For the best of health they need to stay pretty much in
a
> > > >> tight range all day. Optimal is around 83 and not going too
> > much
> > > >> higher than 10 points.
> > > >>
> > > >> But the common wisdom of eating frequently to keep them up is
> > not
> > > >> good advice, because for many of us it will keep them up too
> > high.
> > > >> So in the short run you might feel better, but in the long
run,
> > not
> > > >> so much. Low carb and FF are two things that can help get
> > them
> > > >> in line.
> > > >>
> > > >> But you need to know exactly what is going on in order to
deal
> > with
> > > >> it appropriately. If what I suggested was the case, It might
> > mean
> > > >> this person would ease more slowly into FF.
> > > >>
> > > >> The older you get the more likely it is that your blood sugar
> > is
> > > >> deranged. I am 66 and I now think everybody who is over 60 or
> > who
> > > >> is any age and is having difficulty with weight ( or a number
> > of
> > > >> other issues like high B Pressure) ought get one and
> > periodically
> > > >> check for a day or two to see what their numbers are for:
> > fasting,
> > > >> pre meal and one and two hours after meals. Because unless
> > they
> > > >> check now they could be doing all kinds of silent damage to
all
> > > >> their tissues, and systems ( all the well known complications
> > of
> > > >> diabetes -- heart, blood pressure, neuropathy and some not so
> > well
> > > >> known like tendon issues) and not find out till it is too
late.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045621.php
> > > >>
> > > >> IMO the above site is filled with information about Blood
> > sugar
> > > >> that everybody who cares about their health ought to
understand.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ellen
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, zipolite2
> > > >> <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > > >> Thanks for your response. Personally I agree with you! I
would
> > like
> > > >> to hear what Dr. Bert has to say as well, if he gets a
chance to
> > > >> respond.
> > > >>
> > > >> Meanwhile, I'm enjoying the light, clean, clear fasting
feeling
> > and
> > > >> increased energy.
> > > >>
> > > >> Be well!
> > > >> z2
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@>
> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I think it's fairly common to feel woozy when you are
getting
> > > >> > used to the eating pattern. If your nurse friend is worried
> > about
> > > >> > blood sugar, you should try getting a glucometer and
> > > >> > actually testing your blood sugar. I was really shocked
when
> > > >> > I did this. It turned out that when I was "woozy" my blood
> > > >> > sugar was HIGH ... even though I hadn't eaten for hours. It
> > > >> > was high cortisol that did it. I learned to fight high
cortisol
> > > >> > with exercise ... a couple of squats or a walk around the
block
> > > >> > does wonders. So does drinking lemon juice or vinegar
> > > >> > water, or eating a salty fish ... not sure why, but it
probably
> > > >> > has to do with triggering an insulin surge? But lemon juice
> > > >> > doesn't seem to hurt my fasting any or make me hungrier
> > > >> > later.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > But the thing is, it's hard to know how to treat it until
> > > >> > you know what is going on. Glucometers are CHEAP these
> > > >> > days and easy to use, although the concept seems weird.
> > > >> > I finally got up the guts after seeing someone test his all
> > > >> > day (he's very, very diabetic). If her blood glucose is in
> > > >> > fact low, then a sugar cube or glucose pill will help. But
if
> > > >> > it is high, then sugar is not a good solution.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It could also be her blood pressure. Same thing: either
> > > >> > too high OR too low. In that case electrolytes might
> > > >> > help. She could be getting a little dehydrated for some
> > > >> > reason also. BP monitors are easy to get and to use
> > > >> > too, and at 76 she should probably have one around?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:49 AM, zipolite2
> > > >> <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > The friend I am doing this program with is 76, in
excellent
> > > >> health,
> > > >> > > takes no pharmaceuticals etc.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > She has experienced wooziness during her fasting hours, a
> > couple
> > > >> of
> > > >> > > times at night (her window is 2-7, and she had the woozy
> > feeling
> > > >> > > around 10 despite having eaten around 7) and today in the
> > > >> morning.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > A nurse friend says this is a bad program, that you have
to
> > keep
> > > >> your
> > > >> > > blood sugar level at all times bla bla bla... I am
telling
> > her
> > > >> that
> > > >> > > this program is compiled and researched by a doctor and
that
> > most
> > > >> > > people have a misunderstanding of fasting sensations.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Is there a possibility she has blood sugar issues that
are
> > > >> causing
> > > >> > > her problem? My advice to her is to have it checked by
all
> > means,
> > > >> > > but I don't believe her health is at risk. What do you
think?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > When I first began fasting years ago (always on juices) I
> > > >> experienced
> > > >> > > occasional weakness/wooziness but have had no adverse
> > symptoms
> > > >> since
> > > >> > > then.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Thank you!
> > > >> > > z2
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