Re: [fast5] Re: A New Problem?

Wednesday, October 6, 2010

Re: [fast5] Re: A New Problem?

That is a common perception. The thing is, it's been studied for 40+ years, and MOST people who react badly to gluten get zero symptoms at all. The people who do get symptoms, often don't get them under certain circumstances. Which is why it's taken so long for anyone to take the whole gluten thing seriously.

The problem is, it's like high blood pressure or diabetes: you can have it and not have symptoms, but it can still kill you. Untreated celiacs have over a 75% higher death rate, per year. When they went back to look at blood samples from servicemen in WW2, the ones who had (undiagnosed: these were healthy guys!) celiac also died at an earlier age on average than the rest of the servicemen. There is no consensus about the non-celiac people who also react to gluten, but the situation is probably similar but maybe less severe.

And yes, the TEENY bit of gluten in a host can set back a celiac person healthwise. In blood tests, it changes the blood components for up to 2 weeks afterward. The amount of protein that is detectable by the immune system is really small. It's more like an allergy (people who are allergic to dogs only have to get NEAR a dog and they have a reaction!). Cor, bringing your own tortilla chip is a nice idea! Tho I expect it depends on the church. Some religions are very attached to the idea of the wheat plant, and in fact some missionaries planted it in various countries (where it is hard to grow) just for communion. Maybe grapes too? I've never heard of people with a grape allergy though.

Nice to know there are less than 5 calories though. Thanks Phil! That answers it I think. Communion wafers fit in the legal window, sacrament or otherwise.

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:19 PM, foxchyck <foxeye@jungle-fire.com> wrote:

Isn't the presence of gluten a product of how the bread is made? I thought that was why many people who cannot tolerate gluten do better with ezekiel bread, and/or some forms of sourdough.

My understanding on this subject is a little shaky, though.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> On the drinking issue: on another list I was on, a guy had the same issue.
> He found that fasting works a whole lot better if he "dry fasted" ... i.e.
> no liquids either. I'm not sure about the safety of that either, esp. on hot
> days and while exercising. But he did point out that during Ramadan,
> observant Muslims don't drink water either.
>
> As for communion ... some people who do intermittent fasting do in fact eat
> small amounts of stuff (or take cream in their coffee) and it doesn't seem
> to affect them. Since this is something that happens (at most?) once a week,
> I probably wouldn't worry about it. I suspect the amount of calories would
> be close to the 5-calorie cutoff anyway (have you calculated it for the
> amount of bread they actually use?). If taking communion makes you get
> really hungry later in the day, THEN maybe it's time to worry about it. Or
> just figure Sundays aren't as strict for Fast-5 as the other 6 days of the
> week.
>
> Communion is a rather interesting quandry for some people. The Catholic
> church declared that the host must have at least some wheat in it to be
> considered valid ... but celiacs are very intolerant of even the slightest
> bit of wheat gluten. Some of the other churches are serving no-gluten bread
> now on request, but some don't ... so how does a celiac person reconcile
> their faith with the fact that their faith requires them to eat something
> they know to be bad for them?

>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Susan Sloate <cshalm@...> wrote:
>
> > Hello, all --
> >
> > Thank you for the amazing number and variety of inspiring messages -- I
> > really think Fast 5 is the right way for me to eat, but I have to admit I
> > haven't been strict about doing it! (I'll bet a few other people on this
> > list can relate.)
> >
> > I've been lurking on this list for about a year (and believe me, people who
> > know me would find that VERY strange -- I usually ALWAYS speak up!), but I
> > feel as though I have a lot to learn and not much to add, so have thus far
> > not said very much.
> >
> > I do find that it's no problem at all for me to get through the morning and
> > into the early afternoon (and that's with exercising as well). I have been
> > finding that DRINKING can present a bit of a problem -- diet colas, tea AND
> > even water tend to make me feel like wanting to eat! Not sure what that's
> > about.
> >
> > Obviously I don't want to not drink during the fast -- but I'm not sure
> > what it will take to keep my hunger at bay once I've had something to drink.
> >
> > However, I have another issue I haven't seen on the list yet and wanted to
> > ask about.
> >
> > On Sundays I attend church. I recently converted to Christianity, and my
> > church time is very important to me. Naturally, there's the matter of taking
> > communion. Depending on which service we attend, that's either around 9:45
> > am OR around 10:30. (In my church it's a bit of bread dipped in grape
> > juice.)
> >
> > As I see it, there are three options:
> >
> > 1) Consider the communion food as the opening of my window, though I don't
> > like eating that early, esp. on Sunday.
> >
> > 2) Skip taking communion altogether.
> >
> > 3) Take communion, consider that food eaten outside my window, and then
> > open my window at whatever time I choose that day.
> >
> > I'm not crazy about option 1. (Tried it -- doesn't work too well.) Option 2
> > makes me emotionally uncomfortable. (I've tried that one too.)
> >
> > Is there any caveat that allows for option 3?
> >
> > Has anyone else encountered this issue, and how did you finally handle it?
> >
> > I appreciate all your feedback and thank you again for all your
> > encouragement!
> >
> > Susan
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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